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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (1340)	8/7/2002 11:07:29 PM
From: hal jordan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3959

Your subversion of historical accuracy is astounding for its repeated lies. How convenient of you to refer to terror, torture and expulsion as liberation. Vidrine, look at yourself in the mirror and think, didn't your mommy and daddy teach you not to lie when you were a kid...or was that the norm for the Vidrine household and its perverted form of preaching.

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (1340)	8/8/2002 3:53:23 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3959

Re: Equating Israel's racist Jewish regime with a democratic Europe borders on the twilight zone. If Gustave's theory were true, then the "fascist" Europeans would have blocked all Moslem immigration to Europe. I'm afraid we're two walking on the "twilight zone"... for all Western media depict Israel as a democratic haven amidst a barbaric Arab world... As for "Europeans blocking all Muslim immigration", bear in mind that, up to 1989, the only pool of labor the EEC could freely tap to fill its coal mines and steel industries was North Africa and Turkey. The Iron Curtain precluded Western Europe from hiring Eastern Europeans en masse... However, times have changed: msnbc.com Excerpt: Portugal and Spain each harbor some 100,000 Ukrainian migrant workers. Most of those in Spain are there illegally, he says. By contrast, most of those in Portugal are legal, thanks to a diplomatic accord between Lisbon and Kiev. "In the modern world," Chaly concludes, "it doesn't make sense to isolate a country like Ukraine." [...] _________________ Re: Islam's (with their Jewish allies) aggression against Christian Europe goes back to the seventh century. They invaded Christian territories of North Africa, Jerusalem, Asia Minor, Spain, France, Sicily, Jerusalem, (modern Turkey), the Balkans and Greece. All of these territories had been converted to Christianity by persuasion and not by force. 30 years ago, France's Muslim constituency amounted to a few thousand people... Today, Islam is France's second largest persuasion with about 5 million worshippers. Now, tell us, Mr Vidrine, how did Islam achieve such a religious thrust inside a country that used to be dubbed "the Church's elder daughter"? Do you intimate that France's Muslim immigrants COERCED people into converting to Islam? Did French Muslims bomb their way to the top? Did they murder French priests and monks?

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (1340)	8/8/2002 4:14:23 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3959

Re: When you consider the violent and aggressive history of Islam, Gustav and his Moslem brothers should be happy that they are even allowed to live in civilized Christians nations. Christian Europe's historical memory has been attenuated by two centuries of Jewish/pagan propaganda. And what do you make of fascism and Nazism? Only 60 years ago, Germany and her accomplices in Belgium, France and elsewhere wholeheartedly persecuted each and every minority --Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, unionists, anarchists, you name it! Is that what Christianity's all about?

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (1340)	8/8/2002 4:29:50 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3959

Re: When the Seljuk Turks converted to Islam, the campaign against Byzantium alarmed the Byzantine Emperor and he requested help from Urban II. In 1095 Urban gave his famous speech at Clermont-Ferrand and called Western Christendom to take up arms and liberate the Holy Land. It was not a crusade for forced conversion but a crusade to defend besieged Christianity from centuries of external Moslem aggression and an internal Jewish alliance with the Moslems. Why don't you tell us about the FOURTH Crusade, in 1204, orchestrated by the Venetian Doge Enrico Dandolo and blessed by Pope Innocent III? The Crusades were as much a commercial war as they were a spiritual enterprise... Venice (and, later, Genoa) wanted to hold its grip on the trade routes to the Far East. After the fall of Constantinople in 1453, Western Europeans were compelled to see other routes to (profitably) trade with Central/Eastern Asia --hence the transatlantic journeys and the "discovery" of America.... Besides, did you know that one of the many bones of contention between Venice and the Byzantine Emperor was the former's trade with the Turks (in Alexandria, Syria,...) Egypt and Syria were good customers for Venice because they lacked the wood to build ships --including warships. See, nothing has changed since the 1200s: the Christian Republic of Venice used to sell strategic military supplies to the "Infidels" just as today the US sells AWACS and other military gear to Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc... Gus