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To: BlackDog777 who wrote (36663)	8/9/2002 11:49:48 AM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 281500

Churchill's stand against the Nazis was principled, in my opinion, because Germany was a constitutional democracy which was taken over by force. Interestingly, to me, is that Germany began to secretly re-arm long before Hitler took power. They started immediately after WWI (the so-called Black Reichswehr.) British and French intelligence were aware of it, the French were unhappy, but the British did not want to do anything. The Germans were building, for example, airplanes which were supposedly commercial but really suited for war, and building submarines by front companies in the Netherlands, and testing military equipment in the Soviet Union (pursuant to secret Treaty of Rapallo, 1926, put together by Walther Rathenau, a German Jewish patriot, who, ironically, was assassinated by an anti-communist German associated with the Nazis). The Germans were only allowed a limited army, but each member of their armed forces was trained to be a battalion leader. angelraybooks.com maebrussell.com dutchsubmarines.com colby.edu Churchill, who was Chancellor of the Exchequer between 1924 and 1929, must have been aware of this. Ossietzky, a German of Polish extraction, published stories about the secret rearmament from 1926-1929, was executed, and awared the Nobel Peace Prize in 1934. nobel.se Perhaps the lesson to be drawn from this is that it's the weapons of mass destruction which matter, not Saddam. Saddam may not be crazy enough to use them against us, but others have no such compunctions. I doubt that the German military contemplated Hitler when they started their secret rearmament.

To: BlackDog777 who wrote (36663)	8/9/2002 3:32:22 PM
From: Spytrdr	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

and indeed he was. siding with that murderous beast Stalin in WWII instead of with Western Europe was a colossal strategic mistake. amazon.com ___ <<Winston Churchill, they only politician who wanted to squash the illegal rearmament & territorial claims of Germany from '32 to 39 because of the innate evil of that dictatorship, was constantly ostracized by his pacifist colleagues as a warmongering buffoon>>

To: BlackDog777 who wrote (36663)	8/10/2002 1:44:49 AM
From: Bilow	Respond to of 281500

Hi Lawrence J. Vocke; Re what Churchill would have done... I think it is very important to ask dead people about their opinions on modern problems, so I got out my Ouija board and contacted Churchill on this very issue. Here's what he said, and I'm quoting exactly: "This containment of Iraq is exactly what we should have done with Germany back in 1932! I tried to arrange for it, but no one would listen to me. Instead, the world simply ignored the rearming of Germany and hoped that the regime would slowly learn to behave itself. But if we'd put a blockade around Germany, cut off all their imports of war materials, made them sell their goods through our brokers so that we could repay the reparations that they had agreed to after WW1, then we would never had had that horrible war that followed. It really heartens me that the world has learned from the lessons of WW2 and is keeping such close containment of Iraq. God knows the world couldn't now imagine, for instance, forcing Kuwait to give up territory to Iraq, as the British government did to Czechoslavakia. And if we'd established "no fly" zones over most of Germany there is no way that Hitler could have convinced the German people that they were the master race. Instead, he'd have been just another local dictator. Well done, modern world!" -- Carl