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To: Grandk who wrote (1742)	8/9/2002 4:30:57 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5569

"What I disagree with you on is the nation of Israel itself. The Hebrew word for Israel means "He struggles with God". When the time of the gentiles is complete God will open the eyes and unplug the ears of the Israelites so that they may know that Jesus is the Christ" The time of the Gentiles was completed in the first century when multitudes of Gentiles from all nations were converted to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. It was then that the jealousy of the Jews who had rejected Christ caused them to accept Christ and come into the Church by hundred's of thousands. They were the promised remnant of the true Israel of faith to which the promises of Abraham belonged. Multitudes of Levitical priests, many Pharisees, and hundred's of thousands of Jews were converted immediately before and after the destruction of the Second Temple. History is sacred because an accurate history is the only way you can understand that these things have already come to past. They were fulfilled in the first and the beginning of the second centuries. It is also a lack of understanding of the New Covenant. Let me give you two things that may open your eyes to the deceptions of dispensationalism and Christian Zionism: 1. If you reserve the promises of Abraham to the Jews who rejected Christ, then you have put a CURSE on the Jews who receive Christ. By receiving Christ through the centuries, millions of Jews have, according to your doctrine, lost their chosen status. The children of the Jews who accepted Christ over the last two thousand years are, according to your doctrine, now Gentile who are mixed with other Christians and no longer part of Israel. How evil and foolish is that doctrine. Jesus is a blessing, NOT A CURSE as the dispensationalists and Christian Zionist inadvertently teach. Through Christ you become the child of Abraham! 2. If modern antichrist Jews are, according to your doctrine, waiting for the Messiah, then how will they recognize him when he returns? Will they recognize him as the Messiah by looking in the Old Testament to see if he the fulfills of prophecies in the Prophets, Psalms and Torah? Answer this question honestly and your eyes will be opened!

To: Grandk who wrote (1742)	8/10/2002 3:04:12 AM
From: Chris land	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5569

Galatians 3:8 The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you." Abraham was not a Jew, he was a gentile from Ur of the Chaldees. Furthermore i sincerly doubt that the faith of Abraham rests upon the head of any Jew that refuses Jesus Christ. Now, please consider Genesis chapter 12...And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed. (talking of Abraham) I believe that it is only a Christian which possesses the faith of Abraham and anyone (Jew, Arab, Ethiopian, Spaniard, Greek, etc)that curses someone with that faith will be cursed instead.