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To: maceng2 who wrote (37047)	8/11/2002 4:03:07 PM
From: LLLefty	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>...a bloody awful war....< With so many of the names of WW2 fading, RAF Tangmere remains a vivid memory for some. There, a few vestiges of Anglo-American amity remain, a small one of which is in need of restoration. tangmere-museum.org.uk

To: maceng2 who wrote (37047)	8/11/2002 4:23:58 PM
From: Hoa Hao	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The Soviets would have gone nowhere with out the US. You ignore the fact that the US GAVE the Sovs 10% of their (Soviet)tanks, & 12% of their (Soviet) aircraft. "In addition (to provision of petroleum products of a kind not available in the Soviet Union- blending agents and high-octane fuels) numbers of complete oil refineries, tyre factories, electric generator stations, machine tools, explosives, and raw materials of all types formed part of this aid. A very large proportion of the food for the Soviet Armed Forces (estimated at 1 pound a day of concentrated ration for 6 million men over the entire duration of the war) came from United States and Canadian sources and much of the Red Army's clothing and footware came from America and Britain." Seaton, Russo-German War,pp589-90 Then there's trucks and rail equipment: "at the end of the war the equipment holding of the Soviet Armed Forces amounted to 665,000motor vehicles. Of these, 427,000 had been provided from mainly US sources during the war years; contemporary evidence indicates that over 50% of all vehicles in the Red Army were of American origin. These trucks, together with the thousands of locomotives and railway flats, gave to the Red Army the strategic and tactical mobility required to destroy the German forces. At Teheran (Nov. 28-30,1943) Stalin had attributed the Soviet success to the ability to move the High Command Reserve, which he put no higher then 60 divisions, from theater to theater in turn. This mobility could not have been achieved without this US material aid." Seaton, Russo- German War, pp589 US stops giving lend lease and goes over to offensive operations and what does the Soviet army eat??

To: maceng2 who wrote (37047)	8/11/2002 9:37:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I believe the statistics you cite for the Eastern Front are German losses. The Soviets lost more than 4 million combatants during the first few months of the Nazi invasion. The Nazis broke through their line because they were not expecting the attack, and surrounded them. They surrendered, and were kept penned up until they starved to death. That was just the beginning. It got worse for the Communists, because the Nazis wanted to kill every commisar, and every person who supported the Communists. The Ukrainians were so anti-Communist that they were happy to run the concentration camps, and did a damn fine job of it, freeing ethnic Germans for more important tasks. As I have posted before, more than 20 million Russians died on the Eastern Front. Stuff like that makes me feel little sympathy for Germans who want to cry about how mean the Russians were when they finally got the upper hand. I agree with you that the Soviets would have fought just as hard against the Yankees as they did against the Nazis. And there were a hell of a lot more of them. Not to mention the fact that they had installed puppet states in all the countries they liberated from the Nazis. But if you want to talk about who suffered the worst (after the Jews) in my opinion, it was the Poles. 80% of the Polish military died in WWII, worse for the officers.