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To: tejek who wrote (149522)	8/12/2002 5:45:57 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1580249

Actually, my point was that inspite of the Equal. Opp. laws and AA, people of color still are mired in poverty. Certainly conditions have improved overall thanks in good part to these laws. However, there is a ways to go. I don't suppose it ever occurred to you that the reason for this is that AA and EO laws don't work? You conclusions seem not to comport with reality. Usually, if you try a particular method to solve a problem and 30 years later, you still have a problem, then you conclude that what you're doing isn't working. At least I do. Particularly, considering our earlier discussion that the incident of prejudice has almost evaporated, it seems reasonable to conclude that the progress of blacks over the last 30 years is due largely to THAT factor, not AA. Thus, AA and EO laws may have well made the problem worse. I'll never understand the reasoning (or lack thereof) of the liberal mind. If you pitch table scraps out your back door everyday, you shouldn't be surprised that you're getting packs of dogs coming there to eat.

To: tejek who wrote (149522)	8/12/2002 6:16:40 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1580249

As late as the fifties there were convenants in many cities not allowing blacks to live in certain neighborhoods. And making these covenants illegal has nothing to do with AA. Don't tell me laws weren't needed to approximate equal results. And disastrous results did not result from instituting these laws. On the contrary, without these laws, disastrous results would have been guaranteed. You talk about bad conditions decades ago and then imply that AA cured them or at least made them a lot better. In doing this you are failing to consider that most of the laws that had a major effect where not affirimitive action laws. Also you don't consider non legal sources for change like a reduced amount of discrimination against minorities and generations of minorities building apon the progress of previous generations. So you should be grateful for Equal Opp. and AA but instead you complain and want to dismantle these laws before the job is done. Go figure! Your lumping Equal Opp. and AA together but they are two different things. One says you can't discriminate based on things like race. The other tries for a "make up"/reverse discrimination. One has produced some good at the cost of some freedom. The other has almost entirly negative results. Tim