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To: Olu Emuleomo who wrote (145693)	8/18/2002 2:46:08 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 164684

This is simply not true! .NET has been a failure up to date. Now, MSFT can turn that around. But as of today, .NET has been a bust. In fact, I am not too sure it will ever be remotely as successful as MSFT expects. How do you do web services with .NET when it will only run on Windows? Who uses Windows for mission critical stuff? --Olu E. You know what though, Olu- it doesn't matter whether .net is a success or not. There are only 5 remaining major players in software- msft,orcl and on the apps side sap,psft,sebl (some say sebl will fall but I am optimistic for them). On the .net side, there used to be an entire industry of b2bi software companies which competed with .net- tibx,vitr,webm etc. and many of these are just plain gone. The task is still there to do EAI between apps and where will that business go... msft or orcl, imo. L

To: Olu Emuleomo who wrote (145693)	8/18/2002 10:15:09 PM
From: Victor Lazlo	Respond to of 164684

MSFT is now up against it.

To: Olu Emuleomo who wrote (145693)	8/19/2002 3:22:48 AM
From: uu	Respond to of 164684

> How do you do web services with .NET when it will only run on Windows? Who uses Windows for mission critical stuff? True! But who uses non-Windows for the front-end client software (i.e. when was the last time you saw a receptionist having a giant workstaion at her desk running OSF Motif on Unix?).. Here is the situation: a) MSFT is not going to support Java (or for that matter any other non-MSFT server-centric open software) anymore. b) The mission critical application developers can use non-windows software for all their developments, but whats the use if no one can use them in the "real" world? So there seems to be a stand-off! Who is going to win do you think? MSFT with over $31 billion cash, or these other guys (e.g. Sun, Oracle, etc.)? Incidentally IBM is a big supporter of .NET - although it is playing it both ways!.