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To: LindyBill who wrote (38791)	8/20/2002 12:39:59 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Steve den Beste had such an experience in one debate: One of the reasons it is so difficult for a rationalist nationalist mechanistic Jacksonian like me to have anything like a comprehensive discussion about major issues with people on the internationalist left is that we rapidly become bogged down in extremely deep differences. In some cases they go down to the level of axiom. In other cases they're even deeper, at the level of epistemology. I actually had an unfortunate encounter once with such a person who tried to claim that logic was local and cultural and based on "your interpretation of reality" which, by implication meant that no one could apply their own logical conclusions to anyone else. I responded that logic was a form of mathematics which had universal scope and was not subject to local cultural variation or differences of opinion. His response was condescending. He felt sorry for me. He obviously couldn't help me. I was too far gone, too brainwashed. (This was pointed out by another as being an example of "logical rudeness", something which comes up all too often in this kind of debate.) http://www.denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2002/08/Allcatshavelongfur.shtml

To: LindyBill who wrote (38791)	8/20/2002 4:02:35 AM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Whatever the group agrees is true, is true. I certainly wouldn't agree with that, but I wouldn't disagree with the proposition that our values are products of our culture, not some sort of revealed truth. Would you?