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To: Neocon who wrote (288432)	8/20/2002 12:29:49 PM
From: Karen Lawrence	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

You'll like this Neocon, the good guys win: Judo team from Dade pins L.A. carjacker BY CAROLYN SALAZAR csalazar@herald.com This guy picked the wrong visitors to carjack. His victims: a college judo team from Miami-Dade that pounded him on the head, twisted him like a pretzel and pinned him on the ground until L.A. cops arrived. ''I thought it was pretty funny because out of all the cars this man picked, he picked ours,'' said Cristina Baldacci, 23, one of the members of Florida International University's judo team in the backseat of the rented minivan Sunday. 'All I kept thinking the whole time was, `This guy is really barking up the wrong tree.' '' In town to teach a women's self-defense course, the six students and instructor had spent the day cruising Hollywood, Beverly Hills and Los Angeles before stopping to gas up near their hotel. At the gas station, they noticed a man acting erratically, then hassling a young couple a few feet in front of them. The students' judo instructor, Nestor Bustillo, made eye contact with the man, who then approached him. The stranger begged for $1. Everyone in the group refused to hand him money. Then, they said, he made a dash toward his car. ''I didn't know at that point if he was going to get a gun or a weapon,'' said Bustillo, 44, who has a black belt in judo. Bustillo ran toward the man's Nissan -- which police said he carjacked earlier in the day -- and pretended to swipe the keys from the ignition. That's when the stranger made a run for the team's rented Chrysler Town and Country minivan, swung open the unlocked door on the driver's side, and climbed in. In the backseat were Bustillo's wife Vivianna, 23, and son Adam, 18 -- both judo students -- and the members of the FIU team: Raul Cruz, 21; Luis Rizo, 28; Katheryn Vasquez, 20, and Baldacci. 'Someone kept screaming, `Let's get out of the car! Let's get out of the car!' '' Baldacci recalled. ''I considered just jumping out, but then I thought about all the valuables in the car and I became really [upset],'' she said. ``I wasn't getting out of the car without a fight.'' The six students and their coach began pounding the man on the head and face. They pulled him out of the vehicle and shoved him to the ground, accidentally rupturing the gasoline pump hose. ''The scariest was when the gasoline started pouring out,'' Bustillo said. ``That was my main concern.'' As the students pinned the man to the ground, gasoline drenched them all as they waited for the Los Angeles Police Department to respond. Tyrone Jermaine Hogan was charged with carjacking, kidnapping and robbery. When he had stolen the Nissan earlier, police said, he had punched the driver in the face and shoved his wife out of the car. Hogan received minor injuries at the hands of the judo students but required no medical attention. No members of the judo team were injured -- or face any charges for injuring Hogan. ''He picked the wrong vehicle to try and steal,'' said Officer Jerry Richter, spokesman for the Los Angeles Police Department. ``That he would find himself in that situation is pretty funny.'' Richter said what the judo students did was commendable but does not condone that type of action when confronted with an attacker. ''Anyone who is brave and witty enough to do anything like that could be armed, and you don't know if the person could come back and shoot or stab you,'' Richter said. ``While this incident turned out for the best, it's not worth putting your life at risk.'' On Monday, the students were welcomed home from their three-day California trip with a hero's welcome. A gaggle of reporters awaited their arrival at FIU's Golden Panther Arena, where they re-enacted the scuffle on a mat wearing their judo gi. Today, they are expected to take their story on the national morning television circuit. Bustillo said he's surprised about all the publicity the group has been getting. ''To us, it wasn't a big deal,'' he said. ``It was just one guy acting stupid.'' Their bravery did not get them out of paying the gas bill. They still had to cough up $27 for the gasoline -- most of which ended up on them. ''I think now he'll think twice before attacking someone else on the street,'' he said.

To: Neocon who wrote (288432)	8/21/2002 2:30:17 AM
From: asenna1	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

While reading this thread, how can it possibly be that you are "not familiar with Newsmax"? On one hand I find that more than a bit hard to believe, but on the other, I've seen your rather smooth method of distancing yourself and "your side" from what you feel may appear "unattractive". "Few of them make the kinds of allegations based on "might have beens" about the Democrats that are the stock in trade of TP, MSI, Raymond Duray, and others about" Are you serious? The above statement is a complete joke. The majority of "your side" that's yammering away on the GEORGE W. BUSH - HOME OF THE RIGHT-WING HOMELESS thread are still hung up on Mr. Clinton, with Newsmax and less being cited day in and day out as information, no, make that "sources of fact", that are beyond reproach. One of your buddies just compared breath mint ads in the NYT with the lovely George Bush posters and hats being sold on Newsmax! Now that doesn't exactly say much for "your side" now does it? At the same time, I must say that the game played by "your side" of labeling mainstream media as liberal is while not new, most cleaver. In fact, the entire liberal - demolib - socialist labeling game is clever. Isn't it possible, let's say in terms of investigative reporting, that sooner or later the ol' "liberal label" becomes a rather convenient way to dismiss any and all criticism? And best of all, it's a technique that's been proven to be highly effective. I mean, you are aware that the identical tactics were used in Germany, aren't you? Now please allow me now to play a little music for you. I know how much you like to dance.