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Pastimes : Slavery Reparations -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Joseph Waligore who wrote (25)	8/21/2002 2:05:37 PM
From: Cage Rattler	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 203

No one has said that slavery was a good thing -- certainly I haven't. To use your example of rape, do you really think a victim’s descendents, two or three generations hence, should pay your great-grandson reparation? You can't be serious. I recognize that the admission of guilt, on a personal basis to the perpetrator at least, is important -- it is part of the 12-step program of AA as I understand it. However, from your argument do we surmise that a recovering alcoholic should do genealogic research to uncover injustices along ancestral roots -- for the sake of reparation and apology? I mentioned my earlier post before, quoted as follows: "Can you help me stumble through the logic leading to a conclusion that the alleged sins of the great-great grandparents are the responsibility of their diluted descendents?" Please respond to that specific logic -- it is key to the entire issue. Oh by the way, I don't accept Karma or genetic transmission of guilt as legitimate positions. The "sins of the father" argument has never survived logical scrutiny. I note you are listed as a Dartmouth graduate (Karma concept must come from the Wisconsin experience :^) ) How ‘bout you owe me a beer at Murphy's? DEKE per chance?

To: Joseph Waligore who wrote (25)	8/21/2002 4:51:24 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 203

I consider it a matter of honor and karma-cleansing to recognize the mistakes a person or country has done in the past. If I rape you, it is ungracious if I meet you ten years later and say let's forget the past and not live in the past. A rapist should get punished and I have no problem with that punishment including some compensation if that is what the victim wants and the law supports the idea (which I guess it does at least in the sense that the victim can sue for damages). The rapist is guilty of a horrible crime and I'm not upset if he pays. But with reparations for slavery you are asking someone who is not guilty to give money to someone who is not the victim. There is no justice is that. Tim

To: Joseph Waligore who wrote (25)	8/21/2002 7:38:14 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 203

karma-cleansing Karma has no legal standing. And applied across generations, it is anything but moral. Shall present day Italians and Jews be held responsible for the death of Christ? Or of Spartacus? Shall Catholics be held responsible for the atrocities of the Inquisition? If I rape you, it is ungracious if I meet you ten years later and say let's forget the past and not live in the past. You are talking about the relationship between the person who actually himself committed the crime and the victim who actually herself had to endure it. This is distinctly different from reparations. Shall the great great grandson of the perpetrator be executed for that rape? That's the analogy that applies to reparations. Is that your definition of justice? It's my definition of injustice.