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To: JohnM who wrote (39581)	8/23/2002 11:46:23 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

First, it viciously ridiculed a serious problem women around the world, particularly in patriarchal cultures, face. Hogwash. Steyn viciously ridiculed one of your sacred cows, multiculturalism. I can't think of anything more worthy of ridicule than the following statements: Rather, the professor insisted, "Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes" because their manner of dress would be regarded by Muslim men as inappropriate. "Norwegian women must realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it." Steyn is standing up for the rights of Western women not to have to kowtow to Muslim men in our own world. The Norwegian professor is using the old male line, "she asked for it." That's one of the standard defenses in a rape case, "She led me on. She was dressed like a slut. Therefore, I did to her what one does to sluts." Steyn then connects this argument with the other blame-the-victim argument we hear so much these days, on this thread even, "Americans need to examine the root causes of why they were attacked." Every time I hear this, I think of a photo I have downloaded on my computer, a woman holding a small infant out of a window in one of the burning Twin Towers, so it can breath. I'll post a link to it later today so you can see what I see. I suggest that you need to get your irony meter checked, it seems to be defective.

To: JohnM who wrote (39581)	8/23/2002 5:35:58 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I'm not taking a position on Muslim culture; I'm taking a position on the physical abuse of human beings. Want to join me? You want to take a position against "the physical abuse of human beings" with recognizing that the root cause of the problem is the primitive Muslim culture? That like coming out against cancer without going after the source. Why bother? I agreed with the WSJ article. I agreed with Steyn. They are both talking about the same problem. There is going to be no change in the Muslim culture until this problem is recognized. Steyn also addressed the European reaction to it, which is to put their heads in the sand and act like the problem either does not exist, or is their fault. You seem to want to take the same position. You want to look at it in a "generalized" way, that allows you to talk about it as a "patriarchal culture" problem, rather than identify it for what it is.