To: carranza2 who wrote (26308 ) 8/31/2002 8:03:07 PM From: foundation Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 196499 re: how do you develop accurate test suites if the standards are not stable ========== Test Scripts Still Need to Be Developed. The 3GPP decided to use the March 2002 version of the core specifications to develop test scripts for the 3G terminals. In the past, once a certain version has been identified, it has taken seven months to develop the test scripts. Changes to the March 2002 version will also have to be included in the test scripts, although it is believed that future changes will have minimal impact to IOT. Still, this implies to us that it will optimistically be mid September before IOT can even begin; obviously, it will be later before commercial networks will be ready. ========== In light of the shear quantity of corrections flowing in, is it feasible to develop test scripts that are valid past the next quarterly 3GPP plenary meeting? <g> Deutsche's May comments appear to paint a rosier projected picture of standard status than the sobering reality of September. Note that Deutsche picked Sonera as a probable 2002 launch success - due to Nokia controlling all decisions... all technology... all equipment. Sonera illustrates the failure of Release 99 well beyond the issues of standard version and vendor incompatibility. This is why Nokia's abject failure to provide Sonera with a working commercial network is exceptional. And the lesson will not be lost on carriers whose vendors lay blame for network problems on equipment or standard version incompatibility. Sonera is proof that problems run deeper."Changes to the March 2002 version will also have to be included in the test scripts, although it is believed that future changes will have minimal impact to IOT ." A few months ago, one 3GPP working group chairman directed that the corrections should stop - that they simply could not continue in perpetuity - as if 3GPP bureaucrats could legislate correct functioning. They must be aghast that corrections continue, and even increase, as they have recently. It's also interesting that Sonera would not take the fall for its vendor, as it "blamed the delay on delays in the development of the technology" . Coming soon after Vodafone Germany's Juergen von Kuczkowski's statements, is this a trend? Are carriers about to turn on their vendors en mass?