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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epicure who wrote (56301)	9/1/2002 10:43:09 AM
From: J. C. Dithers	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

And digging for it by exposing people (especially people you claim are friends) seems outrageous. Excellent post. However, strike the "seems" --- and replace it with IS.

To: epicure who wrote (56301)	9/1/2002 12:09:21 PM
From: E	Respond to of 82486

Er.... it is "breathtaking" for me to reveal that I phoned penni? What an odd position to take. Here's some more "breathtaking" news. I get and send PM's to lots of people. Here's some more: So do you. Who doesn't? That's about it. This is how you precipitated this discussion by posting this, riskily (the risk being that people would want to know who the hell those brutes were, or doubt they existed and want substantiation) because you felt you needed it: It was also clear that other people were singled out for not participating appropriately- and emailed, pm'ed, and called at home to be dressed down for their failure to comply. That paragraph of yours creates the impression that when you and CH PM and discuss things with people on the phone or by IM, it's just normal, legitimate conversation; but when those who disapprove of your behavior and CH's have conversations, it's "singling them out," and "calling them at home to be dressed down for failure to comply." That could hardly be a more breathtakingly self-serving mischaracterization. It is entirely understandable that you are throwing up a smokescreen to obscure the basic situation, which it's pretty clear is this. Correct me if I'm wrong: I called penni. She told you that I did, I believe (though not right away, because I asked her not to talk about it with you.) Maybe she hinted who it was, but in any case, it was revealed. She would understandably be embarrassed by this, though it's no big deal to me. You used it, trying to hide, to protect penni, that it was penni's conversation with me--but you utterly mischaracterized the conversation to make your 'opponents' look bad. You got called on it when poor penni, put in this awkward position by you, told JLA that she got "a" call from someone, but it wasn't about the CH/Poet issue. Awkward for you, too. And you got called on it again when I told you that I had called penni, and that your description of the conversation was a false one and penni would tell you that. So the one who told tales out of court was you, not I. This is what I revealed: I called penni a couple of months ago, and the conversation was warm, friendly, and we didn't have much to disagree about, and was not of coercive sort you describe. That's it. I've given penni permission to post what substantive details I recall from the conversation, since I provided none here. Your huffiness is a smokescreen because you are horrified to have revealed that penni told you about my call. You revealed a confidence penni gave you because you needed it in argument. I revealed no confidence.

To: epicure who wrote (56301)	9/1/2002 12:35:38 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I just remembered PMing kholt on the subject a while back. I doubt she felt "singled out" or "dressed down for a failure to comply," but I do remember being grateful that at my request she corrected a statement by CH in which he claimed support by her of a statement he'd made about me. I haven't ever talked to karen on the phone. Only penni and Poet. Do you and kholt PM? Did you PM about this issue? I ask only because if you have conversations with others on this issue in PM and elsewhere, it is quite odd that you feel it's wrong of me to.