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To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (16690)	9/1/2002 3:08:47 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17639

Now, I prefer to stay home and watch movies. Another sign of creeping old age. :-)

To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (16690)	9/1/2002 5:04:23 PM
From: AugustWest	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17639

yep. Welcome to middle age. Here's a list of miners from largest market cap. Some still sporting a decent % dividend return. quote.yahoo.com

To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (16690)	9/2/2002 2:57:13 AM
From: SirRealist	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 17639

I can imagine Ozzfest being a civilization breaker, but I thought the same when a girlfriend and I, on 4/73, joined over 15,000 attending a rock concert by Elvin Bishop, Canned Heat, Buddy Miles & Fleetwood Mac in a baseball stadium in Stockton, California. With Fleetwood Mac on stage, we were routed by police firing tear-gas canisters. More than 80 people, including 28 cops were hurt & 50 arrests were made. It was only a Net search that brought up the "28 cops hurt" part. They all should have been hurt. The stadium was completely passive and the cops lined up outside the tall right field foul line fence where, unseen by attendees, they launched the tear gas attack. Outside the stadium was a city park. No-one could get into the stadium with alcohol, so some hung out in the park to drink. The cops started arresting those folks and their rough treatment of the beer swillers caused others out there to react. I'm sure that's where 90% of the arrests and hurt cops occurred. But inside the stadium, few were aware of the trouble outside.... mostly those at the rear of the centerfield bleachers. The real rationale was Stockton, at the time, was a notoriously cowboy redneck town. The next day the police chief was on all the local channels touting how the crowd was destructive while cameras panned over sections of chainlink fence knocked flat. The reality was there were two exits about 2 foot wide and 15,000 people fleeing teargas and rubber bullets can do that to a fence. Finding licentious group behavior at Ozzfest is predictable. Finding it from a police mob - during a Fleetwood Mac concert fer chrissakes - truly disrupts one's concepts of civilization. It was a spectacular month for me. At the time, I lived in Roseville, Ca, across the street from the major railroad switching yard located there. The same g/f and I had gotten up and had driven about a mile away when we heard what we thought was a plane crash at Sacramento's McClellan AFB. Nope. It was this: safetycenter.navy.mil A sidenote: and 24 years later, the bombs still exist: sonomacountyfreepress.com till April 98: hq.usace.army.mil If I have a slightly skewed concept of 'civilization', it sure didn't come from exposure to headbangers...