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To: JohnM who wrote (41385)9/1/2002 2:17:08 PM
From: carranza2  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
The meaning of the word "harbored" is not difficult to determine:

dictionary.com

v. har·bored, har·bor·ing, har·bors
To give shelter to: harbor refugees; harbor a fugitive.
To provide a place, home, or habitat for: a basement that harbors a maze of pipes; streams that harbor trout and bass.
To entertain or nourish (a specified thought or feeling): harbor a grudge.


The statute is clearly drafted. Statutes do not have "political" meanings. They often are designed to effect policy and political ends, but to do so they have to engage in the clear use of words. The words in this statute are crystal clear.

I started this end of the discussion because I suspected that you do not appreciate the fact that Bush is legally empowered to attack Iraq upon his finding that Iraq harbored AQ. You've convinced me that I'm right on the point. It's clear to me that W is statutorily authorized to attack Iraq should he find that it harbored AQ.

Now you want to shift and talk politics. That is another discussion--in fact it is much of the discussion on this board for some time.

Your shift, I suppose, means that I've won this small part of the debate. :)



To: JohnM who wrote (41385)9/1/2002 3:32:51 PM
From: Win Smith  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Mapping the Minds in Iraq's Regime
* Social scientists take aim at Saddam Hussein
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-op-arkin01sep01.story?coll=la%2Dnews%2Dcomment

Thought you might enjoy this one, John. Your services may be required

When Vice President Dick Cheney said last week that the United States would "consider all possible options" in defeating Iraq, few knew one of the options was a team of social scientists and mathematicians busily trying to get inside the mind of Saddam Hussein in order to topple him from power.

And so on. For "mathematicians" above, I'd read "Computer Science / AI guys", I can't imagine real working mathematicians buying into this particular kind of project.



To: JohnM who wrote (41385)9/1/2002 4:32:02 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Going with lawyerly interpretations won't do the trick. And the Bush folk should worry about that.

As I read this, you now admit that Bush has the legal grounds to invade. You just don't think he has enough political support. I think we are making progress with you.

Lindybill@draggedkickingandscreaming.com