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To: yard_man who wrote (52398)	9/3/2002 4:35:00 PM
From: John Madarasz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 209892

what gets me is exactly that, it was only 4K shares. what does that dame need the coin for? she could have sold the bounce after it tanked...or just wrote it off. that kind of shameless greed at the expense of common shareholders is inexcusable. tar and feathers...or at least a seltzer enema in public...or something<g> i want to make a some copper cookware for her at $10,000 per hour, that sounds fair, doesn't it??

To: yard_man who wrote (52398)	9/3/2002 4:37:42 PM
From: Dr. Jeff	Respond to of 209892

<<< what gets me is -- it was only 4k shares -- OK, she screwed up ... but she is a small fish, IMO. >>> That was how I originally looked at it, but since learning that she and numerous other MSO insiders sold company stock IN SIZE knowing a scandal was unfolding (well before the public), I've since changed to the TOSS THE BITCH IN JAIL CAMP. She (they) definitely sold her MSO on inside information because her original stupid 4,000 share IMCL "mistake" was blowing up in her face and sure to tarnish her precious reputation. No one would actually miss her and the world would be just fine without her...... -g/ng-

To: yard_man who wrote (52398)	9/3/2002 4:59:10 PM
From: reaper	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 209892

<<it was only 4k shares>> that is precisely the point, IMO. it is emblematic of how the well-positioned, who didn't need the money in the first place, went to every effort possible to fleece Joe Six Pack for every last penny in the late 1990s. Kozlowski's (alleged) tax evasion was 'only' $1 million. Bernie Ebbers IPO allocations were 'only' a couple hundred thousand shares. none of these actions in and of themselves are a big deal. but they add up to show an elitist class that was practically pathologically obsessed with grabbing every nickel and dime available to them, their 'intellectual' justification being that 'everybody else is doing it'. as we have talked about before, the 'recognition' wave is just beginning to set in. even though the politicians (and have no doubt, AGs are politcians too -- see Rudy Guilianni) were complicit in the robbery, they know which way the winds of popular opinion are blowing and are going to try to make an example of that same elitist class they helped along to their ill-gotten gains. meanwhile in the real world a 46-year-old laid-off auto-worker in Lansing wonders if F will even be sufficiently liquid to pay his pension in 5 years.... Cheers