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To: Cary Salsberg who wrote (65550)	9/4/2002 3:51:18 AM
From: David S.	Respond to of 70976

General public expects DOW below 5000; NASDAQ at 1000. Everyone is expecting the Dow and NASDAQ to go down, and a large portion are indicating expectations of the DOW to go below 5000. Some very bearish are saying that it could even go to 3000.

To: Cary Salsberg who wrote (65550)	9/4/2002 8:33:24 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

"If you want peace in the Middle East, figure out how to establish functioning democracies with individual freedom (Bill of Rights) in Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. " Cary, you are the guy who doesnt want regime change. I do. And when i muddle thru bushspeak i think thats where he is headed. First Iraq, then iran, saudi arabia and perhaps internal reform in egypt and jordan. Also, it seems to me that you have a double standard when you look at the world. The Arabs are demons to you. The Israelis and Sharon can do no wrong. Did you feel that way in South Africa when the ANC necklaced the opposition? Did you think the Serbs had right on their side against the Albanians? The Serb analogy is actually a good one. The question is one for the future to decide because to this point there is no comparison to be made. But Sharons future policy and some of the things Netanyahu say relate to Kahanes views much like the slick David Duke tried to make the Klan look good. I hope this never happens in Israel but words like you use like "there are no palestinians only arabs who live there" make me fearful of the outcome. There are two prime directives for Jews. 1. Never again. 2. In preventing never again, do not become like your enemy. None of this is personal Cary so please dont take it wrongly. And you know me well enough to know that I am proud of my heritage and never want to see Israel perish but there is spiritual "perishing" too to consider. Mike

To: Cary Salsberg who wrote (65550)	9/7/2002 10:02:11 AM
From: Zeev Hed	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

Cary, actually, there are about a million Arabs that enjoy more freedom than in any Arab country, these are Arab with Israeli citizenship. A very small minority of these Arabs are using this freedom to engage in sedition against the state (here in the US, we would not stand for such), but the majority, not only enjoy freedom, they enjoy the fruit of freedom, which is prosperity. The average standard of living of Israeli Arabs is way above the standard of living of the majority of all Arabs from the Atlantic ocean to the Euphrates. Until two years ago, the "Palestinian Arabs" were also enjoying prosperous times (and while their standard of living was creeping up it did not reach that of their bretherns, the Israeli Arabs, yet it was well above the average in Arab countries), but since their leadership engaged in the destruction of their own future state, by first refusing such a state, and then engaging in terror, that advantage, built through more than 20 years of efforts, has now completely been lost. Zeev