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Politics : Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: tejek who wrote (150851)	9/3/2002 10:30:05 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1586288

What you said made no sense. Now you've amended your way back to where we were before you made the comment that did not make sense. No its not an ammendment at all. I said "And it others they didn't do it at all, either because they just didn't bother or because the fact that the streetcars had bad economics meant that they had already disappeared before GM got involved. ' " In others (other cases) they (GM) didn't do it (buy up streetcar companies) ... they had already disappeared (the streetcar companies had gone away so there was no need or even ability for GM to buy them). Are you always going to need things broken down in small pieces like this? They swooped in and bought up most of the larger and medium size lines. Instead of taking over the lines and improving them like many thought, they dismantled them and convinced the cities that buses were the way to go. And guess who made the buses? Now, you can keep saying it wasn't clear what GM's intent was or how I could possibly call GM's intent malicious but unless you have some new pertinent info to provide lets just drop it. No its clear enough what National City Lines (it wasn't just GM I've just gone along with using GM for convience) was up to. The question is it is malicious. GM didn't get a monopoly. There is nothing malicious about buying up a company or a number of them and shutting it down unless you do so to obtain or maintain a monopoly. In any case if the economics of the street cars worked so well a new company could have started as soon as GM shut down the old one. Not if they couldn't raise the rates.....plus many cities took out the rails. One of the features that made these systems financially viable was traveling on rails. In some cities they could raise rates but they where not viable there either. And if they where not viable because of the rate restirctions then the fault is with the restrictions not GM. Actually GM's bus companies where not that viable either. It probably lost money in trying to take over the business for itself. The rails would not have been taken out if some company annouced plans to run new streetcars on them. Show me where/when the gov't treated children, women and men like slave labor on a regular basis like corps did until the laws were changed at the turn of the century? 1 - The workers where treated poorly but they volentarily took the jobs they where not slaves. And if they really where involentary workers they where already violating the laws. 2 - The government has used actual slaves in the past, and also maintained slavery as an institution. Furthermore it has used forced prison labor, and drafted people in to the military. Show me where the gov't poisoned the ground in places and despoiled the water in others like corporations have done? The government is and has been the biggest polluter in the country. In many cases it tried to excepmt itself from regulations that it imposed on private industry to prevent or clean up environmental damage. Tell me when did the gov't screw people out of millions of dollars in their savings and 401s like ENE did? ENE was a case of fraud. Fraud is, was, and should be illegal. The extent to which ENE screwed people out of there 401K money has been greatly exagerated (the period of time where they where not allowed to sell was short, and almost all the decline in ENE stock happened before or after that period, also the freeze was something that was fairly normal when the administrator of a plan changes), but it did lie to all the investors (including those investing it through 401Ks). Lieing to investors is very bad, but lies from the government are not exactly rare. Also no one was forced to invest in ENE, almost everyone is forced in to the ponzi scheme that is social security. Give me a fukking break.........this is all about precious guns? This is so ridicules its not worth hassling. I was talking about the government's guns. When you decide that you don't like say Dell, you can buy a Compaq. When you decide you don't like the government it can and does force you to go along any way. Actually this is needed sometimes, anarchy would be very bad, but it does mean that it has a lot more power to fuck with people, and is more in the habit of using that power. Dell can't shoot you for buying a Compaq. The company I work for can't lock me up to prevent me from going to work for a competitor. The list goes on and on. The list for the government is longer and isn't limited to the 19th century or to a few modern cases of accounting fraud. Tim