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To: cosmicforce who wrote (56848)	9/4/2002 3:32:45 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Presumably the whole is not identical to its rules of operation (the 2nd law of thermodynamics, e=mc2), but is the actually existing universe throughout time and space. It seems to me that we are left with an incomprehension of the whole, except by poetic analogy, because there is no way that can be conceived to summarize all data extended through space at a given instant, and therefore to take a snapshot of the whole, much less to monitor its progress through time. Even if we could, the human mind is incapable of processing that much information, or of following the "story" into the infinite future. Now, you may be right that we can gain some insight into our position within a broader context, but surely we cannot know how we ultimately relate to the whole, since we have no grasp of its character......

To: cosmicforce who wrote (56848)	9/4/2002 3:32:45 PM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 82486

Presumably the whole is not identical to its rules of operation (the 2nd law of thermodynamics, e=mc2), but is the actually existing universe throughout time and space. It seems to me that we are left with an incomprehension of the whole, except by poetic analogy, because there is no way that can be conceived to summarize all data extended through space at a given instant, and therefore to take a snapshot of the whole, much less to monitor its progress through time. Even if we could, the human mind is incapable of processing that much information, or of following the "story" into the infinite future. Now, you may be right that we can gain some insight into our position within a broader context, but surely we cannot know how we ultimately relate to the whole, since we have no grasp of its character......

To: cosmicforce who wrote (56848)	9/4/2002 4:42:49 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

But to even propose a fence implies gravity, so while you could conceptually build a fence in space, it wouldn't have much of a function because part of its form implies certain assumptions about the locality. A fence in space has lost some of its "fence-ness". Are you implying that there is no gravity in space? Depends on what the fence wants to be or do. A fence on earth is built very differently depending on whether it is intended to restrain mice, deer, or birds. So it would be in space. A fence intended to stop solar rays from striking a satellite, for example, would be quite effective if anchored a bit to the sunward of the satellite.