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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epicure who wrote (57230)	9/7/2002 1:04:21 AM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"Look at Solon- he has confused a 3d burning of a house with what happens on SI" That is a lie. If an SI poster burns your house the police will track them down through their registration on SI. ALL posters on SI are registered and REAL. It is no different than any other of the myriad groups we belong to. You are still accountable for your actions... Wouldn't it be great if putting on a shade of lipstick could change your identity and allow you to squat on the world without real consequence. It doesn't work that way, though!...

To: epicure who wrote (57230)	9/7/2002 8:32:10 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 82486

Karen, it isn't dangerous and they can't hurt you, because what is here is not us. X, I reluctantly jumped on this dead horse because I think that this debate about whether posters are real or not is an artificial argument, not worthy of all this attention. It is IMO a proxy, and not a particularly apt one. But Cyberspace is not safe for people who are convinced it is just like 3d, or for people who think words can hurt them. Their own imaginations will get them here. I think this is more the point. It is not a question of being "real" or not but about how well the participants appreciate the parameters of the venue and can differentiate or compartmentalize the venue. Perhaps some people are not adept at that in the various venues of 3D, either. The discussion, if there must be one, should IMO be about the characteristics of the venue and how we might best operate within it. I woke up this morning thinking about another example of a 3D venue, the car. I had lunch the other day with the friend that I mentioned just bought a handgun. He reminded me of an auto accident that we experienced a long time ago. We were rear-ended while stopped at a traffic light. It wasn't a bad accident. We were unhurt and his car could be repaired. But something freaky happened after the impact. The guy who hit us got out of his car quite berserk. He was carrying on and yelling at those of us who were idling at the light as though it were somehow our fault that he hit us. My friend was commenting that, if the guy had had a gun, he might well have used it on us. This accident happened back before road rage became an issue. The car venue has always been a distinct venue with it's own social parameters. We drive around in these turtle shells, relatively safe if we stay in our cars and buckle up. If we offend someone, we might be the recipient of an obscene gesture and some shouting that we can't understand unless we read lips. It's only lately that some people have lost track of the parameters of the car venue and have taken to shooting those who anger them. This has increased the risk and forced us to alter our behavior--to back down when it appears the other guy is angry, and to stop at a traffic light well behind the car in front of us so we have room to make an escape if someone exits his car with a gun, for example. It seems to me that the discussion should not be about whether a poster is "real" or not but about posters who think it's appropriate to exit their cars with guns or who don't understand that they need to wear their seat belts.