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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (170770)	9/7/2002 8:22:51 PM
From: Dan3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Re: why aren't there any Athlon systems on TPC-C Intel hi-jacked most of the so-called public benchmark groups a long time ago, SPEC, BAPCO, ZD bench. Look at the independent benchmarks that are open source and don't give those who control the benchmark a chance to distort the results: swox.com jc-news.com vanshardware.com

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (170770)	9/8/2002 12:30:39 AM
From: wanna_bmw	Respond to of 186894

Tenchusatsu, Re: "Kind of hard to make a fair comparison when HP is selling 4GB of server SDRAM for $96K ..." Actually, $96K is the price for 12x 4GB DIMMs. But your link illustrates the point, anyway. The fully configured Itanium 2 system comes with 4 processors, 48GB of memory and memory expansion card, 72GB worth of local Ultra320 SCSI Hot-swap drives, 6 Mylex RAID controllers, a gigabit ethernet card, a monitor, a system rack, a power system, a UPS, a keyboard, and mouse. That bundle is $167K. What Dan3 seems to be comparing are bare bones systems, which in this case would be the 4 processor equipped Itanium 2 chassis with system board, etc. That stripped down system is about $51K. That's fairly high end, compared to current Xeon systems, which tend to be in the $31K range. tpc.org For comparison, see what IBM has done. They have taken commodity server chips like the 2.4GHz Xeon meant for dual processor systems, and they found a way to get four of them in a server system. IBM charges $30K for a bare bones system, despite the commodity costs of the processors themselves. tpc.org Yet, cache seems to make a huge difference. The 1.6GHz Xeon MP system that I linked to above from HP has the same amount of memory and 1MB of cache, and it manages to outperform the IBM system by a small amount. Surprise. In a database environment, megahertz means very little. Indeed, the 1GHz Itanium system outperforms both these systems by about 27%. It also manages a better price / performance ratio than either system, too. That should be rather compelling for any large business looking for a database solution. Nevertheless, it would be interesting to see how AMD's Hammer compares in this situation. I highly doubt that any OEM could get a 4-way Opteron system down to $10K. Not if a current 4 processor commodity priced 2.4GHz Xeon system goes for $30K. wbmw