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To: tejek who wrote (151138)	9/9/2002 6:40:17 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1586628

Ted lets focus on the point. You look up socialism or communism in the dictionary and the USSR fits several of the definitions that you would get. You ask people in general, or people who are educated about history if the USSR was socialist, or you ask if it was communist and a majority of either group would answer yes to either question. I understand that you would not want to accept whatever definition I would lay out but you shouldn't expect me to automatically accept your definitions either. We can use the way the word is normally defined or we can work out our own defintion between us. Since we don't seem to agree on any definition I would default to the standard definition and by that definition the USSR was socialist. Secondly, you may think Russians were socialists but they did not think they were......they called themselves communists and said they practiced communism. They where normally called communists in the west and if you want to call them communists I have no objections to that idea, but the where the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. And according to their offical ideologists they had not yet reached the state of communism (and in reality would never get to what Marx called communism and where not even trying anymore if they ever had). Since communism was defined as something along the lines of "marxist-lenninist socalism" by many in the west then fine call them communist, but if they where not socialist they would not have been communists either. They where socialists even though they did deviate from Marx's ideas. Tim