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To: Neocon who wrote (42893)	9/9/2002 2:53:55 PM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 281500

I was translating the interview when my computer had a glitch and I lost it. The upshot is that Brezsinki meant to lure the Soviets into their own Vietnam, and credits the collapse of the Soviet Empire on our intervention in Afghanistan. He has no regret about fanning the flames of Muslim fanaticism, because he considers the Muslim world to heterogenous to mount a serious challenge to the West.......

To: Neocon who wrote (42893)	9/9/2002 5:06:09 PM
From: FaultLine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Z. Brzezinski. ú Regretter quoi ? Cette opération secrète était une excellente idée. <g> I know zero French but I instantly saw this... :o) --fl@sowhatdoyouthink?TorF.com

To: Neocon who wrote (42893)	9/9/2002 5:57:14 PM
From: epsteinbd	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

15th line : Z.BRZZ : It is not exactly that : we did not push the Russians into a military intervention (in Afghanistan). We have volontarily increased the chances that they intervene. (Main body now :) N.O. Don't you regret anything ? ZBRZZ: Regret what ? This operation was an excellent idea. It had the result of attracting the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it ? The day the Russians crossed the border, I wrote to Prezzidient(phonetics provided free of charge) Carter telling him "Now we have the opportunity to give the Russians their Vietnam." In fact Moskou had to carry on with a war it could not afford for almost ten years, a war that demoralized its regime and had the effect of pushing into the collapse of the Russian Empire. N.O Don't you regret having helped Integrist Islam ... Of having given advice (know how) to zé future terroristes ? WBZZ: What's the most important as far as the world goes ? The Talibs or the fall of the Russian Empire ? Some worked up Islamists or the liberation of central Europe and the end of the cold war ? N.O. A few illuminated ? It is said time and again : Islamic fondamentalism today represents a world threat. ZBZZ: Stupidities. It has been said that that the West should have a common policy toward Islamism. It's stupid : there is no global Islamism. Let's look at Islam in a rational manner without any demagogy or in an emotional way. It's the first religion of the planet with 1.5 billion followers. But what is the common link between fundamentalist Saudi Arabia, moderated Morocco, militarist Pakistan, pro West Egypt or secular central Asia ? Nothing more than what units the country of Christianity. Text etc by so and so. Novel OBS ID is Eclectic Left.

To: Neocon who wrote (42893)	9/9/2002 5:59:26 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Zbig is being kind of coy about his intentions here, if you can believe this interview: Z.B.: Mais la réalité, gardée secrète jusqu'à présent, est tout autre : c'est en effet le 3 juillet 1979 que le président Carter a signé la première directive sur l'assistance clandestine aux opposants du régime prosoviétique de Kaboul. Et ce jour-là, j'ai écrit une note au président dans laquelle je lui expliquais qu'à mon avis cette aide allait entraîner une intervention militaire des Soviétiques. N. O. Malgré ce risque, vous étiez partisan de cette « covert action » [opération clandestine]. Mais peut-être même souhaitiez-vous cette entrée en guerre des Soviétiques et cherchiez-vous à la provoquer ? Z. Brzezinski. Ce n'est pas tout à fait cela. Nous n'avons pas poussé les Russes à intervenir, mais nous avons sciemment augmenté la probabilité qu'ils le fassent. N. O. Lorsque les Soviétiques ont justifié leur intervention en affirmant qu'ils entendaient lutter contre une ingérence secrète des Etats-Unis en Afghanistan, personne ne les a crus. Pourtant, il y avait un fond de vérité... Vous ne regrettez rien aujourd'hui? Z. Brzezinski. Regretter quoi ? Cette opération secrète était une excellente idée. Elle a eu pour effet d'attirer les Russes dans le piège afghan et vous voulez que je le regrette ? [But the reality, kept secret until now, is quite different. It was in fact 3 July 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for clandestine assistance to the opponents of the provisional regime in Kabul. And that day, I wrote a note to the President in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid would drag in a Soviet military intervention. N.O.: In spite of this risk, you were in favor of this "covert action". But perhaps you even wished for this Soviet entry into the war and sought to provoke it? Z.B.: It wasn't that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we had knowingly augmented the probability that they would. N.O.: When the Soviets justified their intervention, saying that they intended to counteract secret US interference in Afghanistan, nobody believed them. And yet there was a basis of truth in it...do you regret nothing? Z.B.: Regret what? This secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of pulling the Russians into the Afghan trap, and you want me to regret it? [my translation, no guarantees]