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To: Bilow who wrote (44883)	9/17/2002 6:12:51 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

MSC Fast Sealift ro-ro vessels carry around 26000 long tons deadweight tonnage, but that's everything, including the passengers and fuel. Big suckers. Almost as big as an aircraft carrier. bayship.com The LSMRs (large medium speed ro-ros) have around 300,000 ft of cargo carrying space. bayship.com Most of the stuff I see on the net talks about how many thousand feet these MSC vessels can carry, not how many tons, but here is a neat factoid: Each MPS squadron carries sufficient equipment and supplies to sustain 17,000 Marine Corps Air Ground Task Force personnel for up to 30 days. Each ship can discharge cargo either pierside or while anchored offshore using lighterage carried aboard. This capability gives the Marine Corps the ability to operate in both developed and underdeveloped areas of the world. Partial list of a sample loadout of the four MPSRON One ships (Maritime Prepositioning Ships operated for the U.S. Marine Corps)[can't tell whether this means all four at once or just one] Quantity Item 5.2 Million gallons cargo fuel 2,174 50,000-pound cargo containers 76 TOW missile launchers 24 Light armored vehicles (LAV) 105 Amphibious assault vehicles (AAV) 30 Combat tanks (M1A1) 30 155mm howitzers 123 Electrical generators 1 Field hospital (200 beds) 14 50,000-pound container handlers 8 25-ton cranes 16 7.5-ton cranes 47 Floodlight sets 7 Tactical airfield fuel dispensing systems 6 Motorized road graders 4 heeled scraper trackers 104 3,000-gallon collapsible fabric tanks 50 Tractors (various types) 107 Forklift trucks (various types) 41 Reverse osmosis water purification units 203 Cargo trailers 89 Powered trailers (various types) 282 5-ton cargo trucks 42 5-ton dump trucks 22 5-ton wrecker trucks 530 Cargo/troop carriers (HMMWV) fas.org The point being that they don't have to charter these babies, they already have them on lengthy (20 year) charters. So the fact that they need to charter MORE vessels should tell you something. Tells me something, anyway. More here: fas.org

To: Bilow who wrote (44883)	9/17/2002 8:24:22 PM
From: BigBull	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Go ahead and name your date that gives when the festivities are supposed to start. I'll bookmark your post and remind you the next day when it turns out that you were wrong, wrong, wrong. Ok! If US and Iraqi ground forces are not engaged at the divisional level by March 1 2003, I'll throw in the towel. :o} Still, this is a strange situation with the USAF now deliberately targeting Iraqi central radar nodes. Imo if this was being done almost anywhere but Iraq people would recognize these actions as "acts of War" and that the US and the UK would be considered in a "state of War" with Iraq. Now since I stepped up to the plate a set a "drop dead" date, won't you join me in the white hot spotlight and give us all a date when Israel lowers the Star of David flag on Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa etc.? I'm still waiting for that new Palestinian state modeled on South Africa! LOL!