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To: Cary Salsberg who wrote (65991)	9/18/2002 6:49:11 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

Cary, I agree with you 100% on this one. I had heard the airplane scenario a year earlier and of course Clancy wrote of it in an earlier book. This is identical to the pearl harbor fiasco. There were unheeded warnings there too. This country was asleep at the wheel and now we have a president who wont let that happen again--just like FDR. Time to win both militarily and diplomatically. In this current situation not just 2 but 4 presidents are culpable in some way--reagan, bush41, clinton, bush43. Think we can leave carter out of it because he had his own problem with the ayotolla. mike

To: Cary Salsberg who wrote (65991)	9/18/2002 7:21:45 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

Cary, Rumsfeld on PBS lehrer agreed with you too and also agreed with what i said that the pressure on saddam is this strong so we can prevent a future congressional report on what we did wrong that cost 50,000 lives in a crude abomb attack or a bio/chem event. He also gave saddam an out saying he could leave the country like the shah, papa doc etc. now that the gigs up, implying the US would not chase him if he exited. Sort of a free pass for a man that makes milosevec look good. mike

To: Cary Salsberg who wrote (65991)	9/18/2002 7:27:23 PM
From: semi_infinite	Respond to of 70976

The real damning report came out in the Wall Street Journal's long article in June. Prior to the embassy bombings in Africa, the Taliban were not getting along with Bin Laden and were in final negotiations with the Saudis about handing Bin Laden over to the Saudi's. The deal was called off when Clinton fire his missiles (pun intended) and the rest is history. I don't consider firing a few cruise missiles at a target that may be there when the the missile finally gets there a serious response to terrorism.

To: Cary Salsberg who wrote (65991)	9/19/2002 9:46:47 AM
From: JSwanson	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 70976

I wonder if Bush's urgent need to attack Iraq was due to his fear of this report. From the article you referred to: "Given the events and signals of the preceding decade, the intelligence community could have and in my judgment should have anticipated an attack on U.S. soil on the scale of 9/11," he said. He being Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va. AS for Bush, at least he is attempting a real solution this situation. Look at all the attacks at American interest during the Clinton Administration and virtually nothing was done. In fact, Clinton rebuffed at least two attempts by the Sudanese government to hand bin Laden over to the US. The reality is that neither President is to blame for Sept. 11th. The blame rests primarily with the US's intelligence operations. And as with most operations, no one is typically aware of a problem until something bad happens. Surely this report comes as no surprise to any American who has followed this event (almost every American?). The Phoenix FBI memo, the Minneapolis FBI fiasco, the Y2K Philippines bust and on and on and on. These stories have been trickling in throughout the year on a regular basis. The article you sight as damning just reaffirms what everybody already knew in their hearts. Trying to pin this on a particular President, Clinton or Bush, is ridiculous. Our entire government let us down, not one man. Regards, JS