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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (59543)	9/23/2002 3:20:26 PM
From: Shoot1st	Respond to of 82486

I'm not off. I believe simple concepts.... 1. comparing bad to worse does not ever.....make bad, good. ergo, vile personality traits are always there, they are often suppressed for the moment. No more. No less. 2. I am perfectly satisfied with Black or White when making important decisions. I don't need to discuss 48,000 shades of gray as life is being spent. 3. The fewer the words spent to clarify a thought or statement, the better. Shootieisofftothebusstop.

To: Lane3 who wrote (59543)	9/23/2002 3:36:11 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"I don't know that he was really referring to your example." Oh, yes he definitely was. I think something is missing in your explanation. In the description of the character that I described, I included what I also consider a character flaw. (When disputes erupted on the playing field this guy was known to get into scuffles.) I did not describe something that was criminal or even that would be considered unusual in that setting. It is quite common in some sports especially in circumstances where there isn't adequate reffing. You confidently determined that even though every other aspect of his life appeared kind, loving, decent, and admirable; "Reality" is that he is a restrained ass of a person. This not only contradicts much of the discussion that says we can't "really" know a person by taking a snap shot of what they appear to be like in one venue, but it comes up inadequate in the explanation. I know it is pretty hard to push you to the point of frustration on these threads but the nature of competition is to challenge one another at the absolute limits of ones ability. When you add into that disputes over how things are going most people who compete find the struggle a bit much, and tempers will flare if there isn't a convenient way to resolve things...that is why referies were invented. We saw the character described in several scenarios none of which defined a mafioso type personality. The social circles of each of those scenarios should have had ample opportunity to witness character flaws that add up to "a restrained ass." You discounted any possibility of that. You asserted that even though he exhibited an admirable and decent presentation in all aspects of life over time and as described by people who knew him at some level beyond first impression...he was a "restrained ass." You discounted any possibility that there could have been some aspect of his scuffling encounter that was out of character even though this was the only representation of any aspect of this behavior. In fact you insisted that it couldn't be the case. This seems uncharacteristic of you. So I was just wondering what it was about the descriptions that drove you to this extreme of judgement.

To: Lane3 who wrote (59543)	9/23/2002 5:54:42 PM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 82486

I think what we really are is how we behave under the worst of circumstances. So every single mother on earh should be judged by how whe acts when all three of her kids have been sick and throwing up for four solid days, she's had only an hour of sleep each of the past four nights, she's had no chance to clean the house, she's had to stay home from work and is terrified of losing her job, she has no medical insurance and no money to take the kids to the doctor, there's almost no food left in the house, and the fifth telemarketer in a row calls and wakes the baby with the phone. Of course, that's hardly the worst of circumstances, but even so, I frankly don't expect the mother to be happy and cheerful to her visitor. And I wouldn't condemn her forever as a violent and person if she slammed down the phone in the telemarketer's ear.