To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (46509 ) 9/24/2002 12:09:14 PM From: spiral3 Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500 Nadine, my mother was in Durban, she lives there, it is my hometown. She works for the Jewish Community and told me all about it. I have the t shirt to prove it. The t shirts that were printed up the minute people like my mom realized what was going on. learning lessons is an odd business In the months after 911 I remember people being so shocked that this movement was founded, funded, run and supported by educated people. suddenly they weren’t tribals anymore but middle class, just like us, only different. I thought that this was supposed to be one of the lessons of the holocaust but apparently not. the article on Durban is Important stuff and I appreciate you posting it. just one thing the article is largely about racism, yet the other day when Nelson Mandela brought up Race both you and CB dismissed him as a wacko, out of touch, losing it etc. The implication was that wrt Race, it was over...been there, done that. Perhaps I misunderstood. yet today you post an article that is entirely about racism. Is this one of those cases where you only find what you are looking for or is moral clarity something more than that. I am not suggesting that the US has racist motives, I think this is the furtherest thing from their minds. Racism is a cancer whose sole objective is to reproduce. There are different kinds of mutant cells and it is proper to acknowledge that sometimes the disease can linger when you thought it was dead. If we are to operate in the the dumbya’d down world that we’re being asked to, either racism is a problem or it isn’t. Are you with me or against me on this. Ludicrous, I know. I am not saying that the issue should be seen in black and white terms. You dissed someone for perhaps alerting you to the unpleasant fact, that in the two thirds world, like it or not, perceptions of foreign racism, as well as locally held racist views, are perhaps not as dead, as they appear to be to you, or as alive, whatever the case may be. If Mandela is out of his depth it is because he towers above most people ......he has been to the top of the mountain and back.