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To: spiral3 who wrote (46571)	9/24/2002 12:46:37 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

just one thing the article is largely about racism, yet the other day when Nelson Mandela brought up Race both you and CB dismissed him as a wacko, out of touch, losing it etc. The implication was that wrt Race, it was over...been there, done that. Perhaps I misunderstood. I think you did misunderstand, spiral3. What I meant (and CB too I think) was not that racism is a dead issue, but that it is a totally inappropriate way to look at the Arab/Israeli divide, which is religous/ideological at bottom, not racial at all, except for lively Arab efforts to resurrect Nazi anti-Semitism. It's particularly absurd to call the Israelis (who come all colors white to black, with most of absolutely Middle Eastern descent) "white", and the Iraqis (pretty pale usually) "black", unless you are really using "white" as a code word for "European style democracy" and "black" for "Third World dictatorship". And if you are, then you're no longer talking about race anyway.

To: spiral3 who wrote (46571)	9/24/2002 1:25:16 PM
From: aladin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Spiral3, Just as Mahatma Gandhi is revered as a saint by most of us - he had his failings - such as Indian Partition. There are lots of people to blame for the slaughter - but no one can say he had no part. Nelson Mandela and his party support Mugabe and do nothing about the growing apartheid in Zimbabwe and the growing hunger there. In so much as the South Africans love the high moral ground they so bravely fought for, their current actions and inactions in their own backyard do them a disservice. John