To: E. Charters who wrote (853 ) 9/25/2002 11:29:10 PM From: d:oug Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1003 Msg from E.C. "...haven't seen the scene." Eric, does this mean you have never watched 2001: A Space Odyssey? . o bell, the well has run dry run see eric run "... have not accurately modeled, by mathematical means..." WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT While time long past asked if Zeev's Ph.D. existed or not, it was a mute point at that place in time since Zeev accomplished the promise of that piece of paper, as in accomplishments past and present, so yes Zeev obtained from others in his field respect given to those who deliver using a Ph.D. as a stepping-stone, but that stone is not required, and even "forgotten" if held by those whom accomplish nothing of worthwhile, practical or theory bounded. . So now i say to ec, just liken to the world famous reeces peanut butter cup candy, of sandwhich i chased off the GPM thread, u'r reference of classes attended, professors listened to or talked at, not worth a hill of beans i do not understand since i like beans lots but the hot air smells especially when one speaks it as "I know." so, While i know ec could attend mit and get a degree, its not needed, but atleast ec would have learned "... have not accurately modeled, by mathematical means..." the model preceeds the math the math is designed over the model the model is not "by" the math the math already existed, before any model the math cares not, it is mindless created by histories greatest minds, but the model is a man creation unique and made by his thoughts hoping to have numbers set into parameters with a resulting number or analogy output hoped to equal as close as possible, reality that which will happen when that which is modeled takes place but, ec uses models of others hoping that he will acquire "author" status. To obtain another's "I know." then, ec speaks "You either trust people or you have to trust the situation." with situation = "Wildcat has oodles of gold on its properties." (or) For Sales, End of a Rainbow contact ec(at) (or) Walk, no running allowed. Better yet, mail $$$ to ec(at)Rainbow'sEnd