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To: Dan3 who wrote (171272)	9/27/2002 12:43:48 AM
From: burn2learn	Respond to of 186894

I have missed or not seen discussion on X86 production license since watching in the days of Cyrix and Jerry Rogers ( Intel RIP) Can someone please catch me up or point me to a post that will. 1. detail the current x86 licensed companies I know of IBM, Intel, SGS, NSM, UMC, and AMD...anyone else. 2. tell me how x87, iA64, ect and future CPUS are linked to this licensed agreement. 3. be willing to discuss the via type situation with P4 chipsets...blow off the license and produce anyway. and strive for x patent.

To: Dan3 who wrote (171272)	9/27/2002 1:33:25 AM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

RE:"AMD developed the evolutionary DDR market, while Intel pushed for revolutionary Rambus. AMD is developing the evolutionary X86-64, while Intel is pushing revolutionary I86-64" Great point. AMD is so poor at marketing or setting standards that even though Rambus was a bust, Intel still had plenty of time to get into and make DDR a standard. The same thing could happen with X86-64. AMD could stumble/delay with it and Intel still will have time to get into it and establish the standard (with x86-64). It's unfolding right before your eyes. Jim

To: Dan3 who wrote (171272)	9/27/2002 10:55:30 AM
From: fingolfen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

AMD developed the evolutionary DDR market, while Intel pushed for revolutionary Rambus. ... and RAMBUS still outperforms DDR... and if the company "Rambus" hadn't been such idiots, given the price points, they could be the standard now... AMD is developing the evolutionary X86-64, while Intel is pushing revolutionary I86-64. Yeah, but for completely different markets... and it's IA-64... no "86". We know what happened with "evolutionary" DDR vs. "revolutionary" Rambus, we'll just have to wait and see what happens as "evolutionary" AMD Hammer faces off with "revolutionary" Merced. Hammer will win vs. Merced hands down! Of course, my pet cat wins vs. Merced hands down though... Merced was a demonstration vehicle only that should have been out in 1997. Hammer will not, however, be competing against Merced. At the low end it will have to contend with Prescott, which should give it all it can handle. At the high end it will have to deal with Madison... bottom line, hammer isn't a "high end" processor and will fall woefully short of Madison.