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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Neocon who wrote (60111)9/27/2002 5:35:13 PM
From: The Philosopher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
Ah, now we're getting somewhere.

Yes, there are certain aspects of society that depend on trust. But there are many that don't. Where "trust, but verify" is the right motto. I don't need to trust my plumber to have right moral beliefs, I just have to trust him to fix my toilet so it works properly. If he violates social norms in other areas, so what?

And now, of course, we're back to what is behaving badly, and who judges what badly is.

As a lawyer representing clients, there have been numerous times when I have taken positions which appear to be behaving badly, because the world doesn't know all the facts, but the facts aren't mine to share. I'm thinking of one recent case where I took a position which subjected me in the community to social approbation. If I had explained, there would have been instant understanding and almost universal approval. But the secrets weren't mine to share. The opposing party lived in the community and had hidden the secret well, so what I was doing seemed outrageous. My client didn't want the secret exposed publicly, because it would have made his future relationship with the person, wiith whom he necessarily had to have a long relationship, much more difficult. So there I was, taking an action which I knew was morally right, even morally imperative, but being absolutely unable to explain, and getting seriously chastised for it.

And just how far do you think I would have gotten saying "I have my reasons, and they're good reasons, but I can't tell you what they are"? Ha. But in this case, I couldn't even say that, because the simple statement made in public that there were good reasons, that there was some sort of secret about the opposing party, would have been damaging to my client's interests.

So there I was. Just part of the job.



To: Neocon who wrote (60111)9/29/2002 10:23:24 PM
From: Solon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
"Because society depends on trust, and you cannot trust someone who seems to behave poorly without excuse or regret."

Yes. That is so true, isn't it? Still...an absence of trust does not in itself point a finger of guilt at either party...

But as you say..."without excuse or regret" usually suggests an inference to a reasonable person that the lack of trust is based on reasonable grounds, and is a warning flag for all association with such a person...