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To: GST who wrote (148258)	9/30/2002 6:17:38 AM
From: craig crawford	Respond to of 164684

anyone who understands history knows that propaganda and lies are used to start wars. the american public isn't stupid and doesn't want to see their sons go off and die in some unnecessary foreign war. that's why the powers that be drum up propaganda so as to stir up public agitation for war. it is no different this time with all the propaganda surrounding saddam. when propaganda is not enough to do the job, war-mongers such as FDR's secretary of war henry stimson resort to more devious methods including the one he suggested two weeks prior to pearl harbor. "We should maneuver them into...firing the first shot." --FDR's Secretary of War, Henry Stimson in his diary, November 25, 1941.

To: GST who wrote (148258)	9/30/2002 9:58:34 AM
From: Alomex	Respond to of 164684

By the way, if you actually knew anything about Vietnam you would also know that old Ho Chi Minh tried very hard to develop a relationship with the US long before he turned to Communist allies, but the State department did not think Ho Chi Minh, or Vietnam for that matter, was important enough for Washington to take the time to respond to his letters. In fact Ho Chi Minh was promised independence for his country in exchange of support against the Japanese during WWII. He held up his part giving the Japanese an extremely hard time with his guerrillas. At the end of the war, when the allies were splitting up the world, the French wanted the US to renege on the promise. At the time the French were in no position to argue, so it would have been easy for the USA to say "Vietnam will be its own country and that's that", but as GST said, they didn't consider Vietnam important enough, and they sacrificed it.