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To: thames_sider who wrote (1788)10/1/2002 8:06:19 AM
From: jlallen  Respond to of 7689
 
Ooops!!

Wasn't about the sex....it was about the PERJURY, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, MISLEADING A FEDERAL COURT, AND MISUSING THE POWER OF HIS OFFICE.....No one cares that BillyBubba's got a weakness for "big boned" sluts....

Try again. And thanks for playing....



To: thames_sider who wrote (1788)10/1/2002 10:31:28 AM
From: Original Mad Dog  Respond to of 7689
 
Why doesn't anybody over there care that the leader charged with executing our laws feels entitled to blatantly lie under oath? I don't care if it was about taking out the trash, if he does that it undermines the whole system.



To: thames_sider who wrote (1788)10/1/2002 4:02:37 PM
From: Original Mad Dog  Respond to of 7689
 
I see your press has a different way of covering these matters: <g>

mirror.co.uk

JOHN'S KUDOS HAS NEVER BEEN HIGHER

By Sue Carroll

NOTHING can push a war down the agenda like a good political sex romp.

And as romps go, they don't come better than Edwina Currie's revelation that she was engaged for four years in a marathon bonk with John Major.

"I always thought he had a twinkle," a friend told me over the weekend when the news was leapt upon, toyed with and discussed like the last part of a jigsaw puzzle you thought you'd never find.

"Oh, do you know," said another, "I've fancied him ever since I saw him walking down the street. I thought there's a man with nice broad shoulders and, bloody hell, when he turned round it was John Major."

That last comment, by the way, was from Dale Winton. I kid you not.

For Major, the kudos ratings have never been higher. When admiration for a man crosses all genders, whatever their sexual orientation, you've cracked it.

Ironically, if he chose to enter a race for the Tory leadership now, he'd probably win hands down. He's fulfilled every criteria in the party of sleaze. Not only is he more Machiavellian and secretive than anyone ever imagined, but a cheat and goer with a sex drive to match his ambition.

Women are crawling out of the woodwork to reveal the unspeakable . . . the former Prime Minister is actually a bit of all right.

In fact, lurking beneath that boring exterior exists a man silently simmering with sex appeal.

Never have so many plaudits been heaped upon a man who popular opinion (and ghastly ensemble of beige knitwear) would have you believe was capable only of turning on a light switch.

"He's gorgeous," says Nesta Wynn Ellis. "Tactile," adds his former chef, Clare Latimer. "Responsive to clever, good-looking women," reveals biographer Bruce Anderson.

And Penny Junor explains: "When he shakes your hand, he holds it longer than normal."

I must confess that when I came face to face with him at a lunch some years back, the illusion of his wimpish, pea-eating, grey Spitting Image puppet was instantly shattered.

Here was a tall, polished charming man of statesman-like demeanour who held the room in his thrall, totally in control with a hundred-watt smile and direct gaze which lingered, I noticed, on my chest. I didn't mind at all.

It seemed likely, despite his earthy attraction to women, that given his status, marriage to Norma, and their two children, Major was a sex bomb who must remain undetonated. Now, of course, we know there were explosions on a regular basis at colleague Edwina's flat between 1984 to 1988.

"I am a little surprised," said Mary Archer sniffily on learning of the liaison, "not at Mrs Currie's indiscretion, but at a temporary lapse in John Major's taste."

Rather judgmental words from a woman who could probably learn something about sex from a cold haddock.

I can't speak for all men but, most I suspect, would prefer the energetic advances of someone like Mrs Currie whose performance, as one male friend puts it "must be like hanging on to a runaway lorry."

She's not the first and won't be the last to stalk the corridors of power with her knickers firmly locked in her handbag.

Edwina saw it as a hike up the ladder, and if that failed, a personal pension fund.

She doesn't care about the hurt she's thrust on Norma, or the embarrassment heaped on Major.

This game was played by her rules and she's cashing in the chips.



To: thames_sider who wrote (1788)10/1/2002 4:07:48 PM
From: Original Mad Dog  Respond to of 7689
 
And a less favorable take on the same events:

mirror.co.uk

PARSONS: MAJOR'S THE CHIEF TORY HYPOCRITE

LIAR, liar, grey Marks & Spen-cer Y-fronts on fire - so John Major's "Back To Basics" philosophy has turned out to be "Back To My Place" after all.

In the light of the weekend's revelations, political commentators are busy reassessing Major's landmark speeches.

"What does this England mean to me?" Major once asked the Conservative Party conference. "I shall tell you. It means lukewarm beer, the sound of cricket ball against willow, old dears cycling to church, rosy-faced bobbies patrolling every suburban high street - and, once a week or so, really getting stuck into a curry."

And we all thought he meant a chicken tikka masala!

I am not usually censorious when it comes to the private lives of politicians. We should be more concerned about what they do with the economy, public services and all the rest than what they do with their shrivelled little private member.But John Major built an entire career around presenting himself as the Tory party's answer to Doris Day.

Here was the politician as professional virgin, watching in bemused horror as other Tories fell from grace with some starlet, harlot or PA (which in the Conservative Party during the Major years practically stood for Penis Assistant).

But Major's four-year affair with Edwina Currie represents rank hypocrisy in a way that David Mellor's liaisons in a Chelsea strip did not, and Alan Clark's South African coven did not, and even Stephen Milligan's orange did not.

Mellor, Clark, Milligan and all the rest of them, from Cecil Parkinson to Tim Yeo to Steven "Shagger" Norris, never presented themselves as squeaky-clean Mr Nice, high on family values and low on testosterone.

That is exactly what Major wanted us to believe. This was the Prime Minister as Ken Doll, nothing between his legs but smooth pink moulded plastic. Prime Minister Ken Doll, who could never resist wagging a prissy finger at the rest of us.

And that is why his deceit does far more than reveal that Tory sleaze began and ended right at the very top.

Alan Clark and the rest never pretended they were better than the weak, fallible man in the street. John Major did exactly that.

This little grey man, with all the dirty secrets surrounding his nasty little cocktail sausage, is a walking, talking definition of hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy: 1. The assumption of moral standards to which one's own behaviour does not conform 2. Acting of a part, pretence.

There was something human about the sins of Alan Clark and David Mellor. But even now that John Major's dirty linen is being collected from the cleaners, he still seems a Tory party robot, programmed to mouth soothing, meaningless cliches. "It is the one event in my life of which I am most ashamed," says Major of his affair with Currie.

Really? And this from a spectacularly incompetent Prime Minister who, ignoring the advice of all those around him, caused this country incalculable economic hardship because of our membership of the Exchange Rate Mechanism.

Lives were ruined, jobs were lost and the pound was ravaged because John Major couldn't tell the ERM from his elbow.

This true-blue buffoon would never have had the chance to cock up the British economy if this other cock-up had come out at the time. Strange days have found us. Here we are in the 21st Century, and the names in the headlines are John Major, Edwina Currie and Jeffrey Archer. I have heard of an 80s revival, but this is ridiculous.

Clare Latimer, the Downing Street caterer who was falsely accused of having an affair with Major, issued this damning verdict: "He kept it under his hat because he wanted to be Prime Minister. She's kept it under her hat because she wanted to make money from it."

It is certainly true that, had the affair been public knowledge, it would have scuppered Major's chance of succeeding Thatcher.

But in Currie's actions, as well as the sound of cash registers jangling, we can detect revenge - that dish best served cold - finally being taken.

Hell hath no fury like a woman who gets left out of the index of your autobiography, John.

Like Jeffrey Archer, and Robert Maxwell, and many other powerful men with secrets to protect, John Major once took legal action to "protect his reputation".In 1993 - the year we were all encouraged to go back to basics - he took legal action against two magazines, Scallywag and New Statesman and Society, who suggested he had had an affair with Clare Latimer.

Major won, and the victory served as a vivid warning to any other journalists who ever thought about making inquiries into the Prime Minister's tangled love life. Go there and we will bury you.

Like Maxwell, like Archer, Major used aggressive, bullying legal action to silence his enemies. But like Jeffrey Archer, he may now find that legal action coming back to haunt him.

Lord Archer is languishing behind bars because he told lies in court. And if Major didn't actually lie, he certainly did his very best to hide the grisly, Currie-shagging truth.

The accusations made by these magazines were of course false - John Major only ever touched Clare Latimer's vol-au-vents and her cheesy nibbles - although the suggestion that he was an adulterer turns out to be true after all.

So is the last Tory Prime Minister now going to give these little magazines their money back, or at least get down on his knees and offer them, and the rest of us, an apology? Or will John Major go to his grave as a hypocrite?



To: thames_sider who wrote (1788)10/2/2002 11:39:38 AM
From: TimF  Respond to of 7689
 
Why didn't you rank Churchill bottom, if sex is all you care about?


If Churchill lied under oath in court I might move him down on my list.

Tim