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To: Snowshoe who wrote (48631)	10/1/2002 6:38:20 PM
From: Karen Lawrence	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Yours is a perspective I've not seen before, thank you for that insight and information. However, Saddam would have to ally himself with more powerful larger nations to wreak any kind of havoc that would threaten US, do you think so?

To: Snowshoe who wrote (48631)	10/1/2002 7:49:49 PM
From: aladin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Guys, Since we blame everything hapenning on Bush or Clinton, and in general Clinton was great for the environment and Bush is evil please answer the following: 1) When did SUV's become the norm of soccer Mom's? Under Bush or Clinton? 2) What happened to greenhouse gass emissions from jan '93 to jan '01? 3) redefine the years to those entirely under Democratic control (Senate and Presidency) and re-answer? Answers: Clinton, Up and Up (with no change in rate) Does this make Clinton a hypocritical enviro-wannabe? No, it just illustrates how little control a President has over peoples tastes. basically everyone wants their comfort and technology and wants environmental cleanup at someone elses expense. Disclosure- I proudly drive a Ford Expedition - but I also run a Boy Scout Troop. I really do use the 4x4, tow trailers up logging roads and use it as a truck. My first weekend I had two canoes on top, 8 on a trailer, 7 boys inside and 500 lbs of gear. Try that in an econo-box. As an environmentalist, I see lots of soccer moms and guys who want to look tough driving Hummers, Expeditions and Suburbans that never see a dirt road and cringe. But how do you solve taste? And increased cost of gas won't help much, most of the folks I know would complain but most like their comforts. Just look at cigarettes in Canada - $10 a pack and no big drop in smoking. BTW - what about Mercs and BMW's? Some of these small cars with their high performance engines get leass than 15mpg. John

To: Snowshoe who wrote (48631)	10/1/2002 9:35:56 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 281500

I'm totally in favor of energy conservation and alternative energy sources. I deplore the Bush energy policy. That's a fascinatingly contradictory position to take when it's plain that the Bush energy plan has gone farther than anything the Clinton/Gore administration ever managed to achieve. Gore just talked about super-efficient cars, whereas Bush seems to be emphasizing alternative fuels, as well as increased domestic exploration. I think Bush is selling the program along the lines that oil companies are really "energy companies" and it doesn't matter what kind of energy they sell, whether it be fossil fuels or alternatives. Furthermore, conservation has an economic price and few growing economies are willing to pay such a price. But I'm all for weaning ourselves off of foreign oil, and eventually from fossil fuels altogether. I personally believe it's a matter of national security. Hawk