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To: jttmab who wrote (15214)	10/2/2002 10:46:52 AM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93284

I don't think one can "successfully" make any scientific argument that god does not exist. This isn't really the forum, but while it may not be possible to have the last word on intelligence outside our planet in whatever form, there are proofs that can be made about specific claims and powers. Many want to take the idea of god as an axiom, attribute unspecified magic powers, and then say that trumps all investigation. In reality that too has it's own implications, omnipotence requires an environment that permits omnipotence and some of the characteristics required can be determined. The axioms that modern science is founded on is 1) Cause and Effect. This means that if something happens which makes a change in something else, then the first thing had to happen earlier in time. 2) What's done is done. Once something finally does happen, then it really did happen. i.e. Once an event has moved through the present to the past it is no longer a candidate to be affected by another event yet to come. I don't know of a proof for these statement, that is why they are axioms. Relativity and Quantum physics are both products of these notions and rely on them. There is a third really important concept which is not an axiom (meaning it can actually be measured and inferred from the natural rules) often called the arrow of time. It basicly says that the rules that govern our universe are not exactly the same if time were running backward, certain reactions do not act oppositely based on time alone. This combinied with axiom 2 is a proof that our universe is not a simulation, or fated to follow a certain course. This is because you can't change the past, therefore the future cannot be completely determined by the past and still have an arrow of time. To make a long story shorter, these three rules are not compatible with omnipotence. TP