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To: Clappy who wrote (55129)	10/2/2002 10:09:18 AM
From: The Freep	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 209892

<<I'm not even a statistics nut. <g> >> Uh oh. Reaper is gonna SHRED you, man. RUN AWAY! The LA Times, by the way, has just a couple sentences about the game, and a ton of "where was Percival" articles. the freep

To: Clappy who wrote (55129)	10/2/2002 10:56:50 AM
From: reaper	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 209892

dood, fielding percentage is so NOT how you measure a player's defensive capabilities. those two balls that went under Jeter's glove last night were ruled as HITS. so no damage to Jeter's fielding percentage. but the fact of the matter is that all of Nomar, ARod, Vizquel, Tejada, and Mike Bordick (and certainly many others) would have gotten to both of those balls and at least one if not both would have been turned into outs. which prevents runs, and prevents Clemens getting left out there for a 36-pitch inning. you can measure a players (especially a middle infielders) fielding capability through a stat called Range Factor, which is basically how many chances he gets a game. Jeter's is right around 4.00 (it has actually been below 4.00, at 3.93 and 3.81, in two of the last three years). in comparison, Nomar averages right around 4.40, ARod is in the 4.70 area, as is Tejada, Bordick is in the 4.50 area and Vizquel, who was at 4.60 when he was young, is at about 4.30 now. fwiw the league average the last 6 years has been in the 4.30 area. Over 162 games the difference between a 4.00 range factor and a 4.40 range factor is 65 chances. That's 65 balls that roll past Jeter into left-center for singles that Nomar and the rest of the good shortstops field and throw over to first base for an out. The difference in errors made by Nomar versus Jeter is about 7-10 a year. So on a net basis Nomar specifically, and most shortstops in the league more generally, more than make up for a couple of more errors by getting 50-75 more chances than Jeter. you can also measure prowess of a middle infielder by the number of double plays he is involved in. Jeter averages 70-80 a year. So does Nomar. Vizquel is involved in 90-95, and Bordick, ARod and Tejada all participate in 100-120 DPs a year. if you get the lead runner at 2B but don't get the runner at 1B, its not an error (as a scorer you cannot presume a double play). so no harm to Jeter's fielding percentage. but the good fielding shortstops, again despite a couple of more errors, record another 20-30 outs a year on DPs than Jeter. i have never claimed that Nomar is a great fielder. he is a slightly better than mediocre fielder. but by all objective evidence Jeter is a much worse than mediocre fielder playing the most important defensive position on the field. yeah, he once made a really big play in an important game. but he gives up tons of runs too (i can in fact blame all 5 runs by the Angels last night on Jeter, the first 3 by him personally not making plays, and then both of Glaus' homers because Clemens was gassed from throwing 36 pitches in the 5th and Mendoza was left in the game too long because Clemens had to come out early due to his 36-pitch 5th inning). Cheers