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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (49005)	10/2/2002 8:46:59 PM
From: kumar	Respond to of 281500

Fine.. let them be a monarcy, if their people will tolerate it. But don't let them sit on the UN security council. Why Not ? UNSC is a subset of UN. The UN was designed as a democratic body, not a playground for despots to extort money and aid from other nations through political blackmail. As best as I know, its a body where every member country has a vote, so yes, its a "democracy of countries". I dont recollect learning anything about structuring the individual choices within the member countries. I dont believe the comments pertaining to despots/extortion etc are worth responding to. cheers, kumar

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (49005)	10/2/2002 8:50:07 PM
From: kumar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Fine.. let them be a monarcy, if their people will tolerate it.But don't let them sit on the UN security council. U want to get the US Govt to try tossing UK out of the UNSC ?

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (49005)	10/2/2002 9:40:03 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Hawkmoon; Re: "Fine.. let them be a monarcy, if their people will tolerate it. But don't let them sit on the UN security council." Umm, Germany is a Democracy. They are bigger than England or France in terms of population and economy. So you'd they'd definitely be on a Democratic United Nations Security Council (DUNSC). But that wouldn't help us much, as far as attacking Iraq; Germany was the country that recently compared Bush's tactics to that of Hitler. Re: "The UN was designed as a democratic body, not a playground for despots to extort money and aid from other nations through political blackmail." My feeling is that this isn't true, but if you've got links to the early history of the UN I'd love to read them. I just don't have the time right now to go find the appropriate documents myself. Re: "Btw, you can be a monarchy and still have a popularly elected parliament and prime minister." While this is true, it's also true that you can be a dictatorship with a popularly elected parliament and prime minister. And no one agrees now as to which countries are truly democratic. Egypt is a good example. Re: "Personal human rights mean little if you don't possess economic rights and the framework to preserve them." I agree wholeheartedly. By the way, I saw an article on Vietnam the other day. It claimed that the big complaint of its citizens now is not the repression, but the corruption. That may have been the part of the problem with South Vietnam. -- Carl