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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (60917)	10/3/2002 1:49:40 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

These are not the hallmarks of a successful society. Not by yours. Maybe by theirs. Maybe to them, living in economic squalor but with a strong family unit surrounding you and a clear belief in God represents success more than owning a powerful car and having material wealth but being isolated from family, dumping your elderly in nursing homes instead of caring for them with love in the home, modest though it may be, and having decadent music celebrated as art. I wouldn't like that kind of society. But I'm not willing to say they don't.

To: Neocon who wrote (60917)	10/7/2002 4:31:19 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"that is, needs that arise out of our nature as rational animals, such as providing a certain amount of leisure, of education, and of money to live in a dignified manner, able to act autonomously and to participate in "culture". Thus, we are objectively superior, in fact." This is entirely arbitrary. It follows under the rubric of "POWER"...and that takes different forms in different societies. Mind you, I don't deny that modern people value being dignified...