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To: epicure who wrote (61109)	10/4/2002 5:09:01 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 82486

what are you talking about? This subject has come up before. I recall getting into it with Neo on the subject of the march in Skokie. I agree with you that the test of one's commitment to free speech is gritting one's teeth when people say things that are repulsive to you. Having said that, this has long been a hot button for Neo for understandable reasons. It seems to me that it's better to debate free speech with a different example when doing so with him, one with repulsive speech that doesn't hit so close to home. Pressing this particular example cannot produce a good outcome.

To: epicure who wrote (61109)	10/4/2002 5:09:39 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

X, you are making so much sense recently that I feel a humble apology for the barbs I threw at you some time back has become my solemn duty. Nobody who believes the way you do can be anything but a superb teacher. I only wish you had been yourself from the beginning instead of wasting your time on that absurd persona. But water under the dam. Anyhow, I publicly and humbly apologize for what I wrongly accused you of.

To: epicure who wrote (61109)	10/7/2002 4:05:52 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

I got this from Hodgkins assertion that we should present Nazism without prejudice, as a possible belief system, and accept that some students might find it suitable. Yes, he did say that........As for the deprogramming, that is really out of thin air.......

To: epicure who wrote (61109)	10/7/2002 4:10:16 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Hodgkins:And if one is going to discuss the Holocaust, I think one has the obligation to present the ideas which lay behind the decision of the German goverenment to carry out their policies. I don't think it is wrong to say, what is factually true, that most civilized nations deplored the practices of the Holocaust, and that it violated the accepted norms of Western civilization. But one should, IMO, be careful not to make a blanket and unequivocal statement simply that it was wrong, or unjustified, or bad, because those statements are only true within certain contexts. The accurate thing is to say that within the generally accepted norms of Western civilized thought it was evil and wicked and inexcusable. But if one has a totally different value system, it could, I suppose, be defended as good and just and a failure only because the war ended before the Nazi government was able to succeed in obliterating the Jewish race from the face of the earth. Not my view, I trust it is unnecessary to say. But that is a view which students are, if they wish to, IMO, entitled to adopt if that's where their moral and intellectual development leads them.