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To: ManyMoose who wrote (305025)	10/6/2002 12:32:31 PM
From: PROLIFE	Respond to of 769670

I bet I already know flappy's answer...

To: ManyMoose who wrote (305025)	10/6/2002 12:36:17 PM
From: Eashoa' M'sheekha	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

The Unfortunate Part About Union Is : Like the legal system, it protects the guilty as well as the innocent. Having worked from many different perspectives,I can appreciate all positions without bias. You need responsible management AND responsible union leadership to attain the goals of both. The longshoremen and the industry itself is probably the most extreme example of union/management conflict. These guys on both sides don't have a good day unless they are at each other's throats and use any and all leverage to try to get one up on each other. They are all to blame for the state of the industry. The End. KC

To: ManyMoose who wrote (305025)	10/6/2002 12:58:58 PM
From: Angler	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

I go back over 60 yrs. in my observations of stevedoring home and abroad. Many years ago in San Francisco when cargo came off in slings, it was not uncommon to have accidents in unloading when the nets were dropped and spilled and salvage resulted. Scotch whisky was a favorite target. In wooden cases a bottle would burst and the liquid strained would spill out thru the seams to be caught by a tin cup which everyone carried. Free drinks on the house. There was one salvage company close to the piers that was known to "order" salvage from the stevedores. They always found ready buyers at 60c on the dollar even if the stuff was a little dented. Pilferage became so gross that finally the insurance companies prevailed and cargos were jammed into the invention of containers, and the Oakland container docks were born. San Francisco's many piers were isolated and without activity for 40 years thereafter. This sort of thing happens at the beginning and the end of the line. Overseas during WW2 the wharfies in Auckland went out on strike while our ship was loading perishables to be shipped forward into combat areas. Their beef was lack of hot water in the showers and cramped lunch rooms as I recall. On board ship we didn't mind. We just had that much more time to enjoy the girls ashore.