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To: tsigprofit who wrote (9254)	10/8/2002 12:45:57 PM
From: xcr600	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 48461

<< They have lived under this man for decades, and have been bombed repeatedly. Time for better things for their future - hopefully! >> So what? plenty of the world lives under tyranny and the world ignores it. If that's the reason then why dont we do more elsewhere in the world?? Iraq is hardly the only country "supporting" terrorism. Plenty of money flowing from Saudi Arabia and we don't say anything about that. Let's be realistic. Saddam isn't dumb, he wants to survive. He's not going to do something preemptive and try and nuke someone. What's the point? He know's he'd be destroyed. However, if a foreign power was to step onto his soil, it gives him a green light to unleash whatever he may have. And this war wont be fought in the desert. Marines will have to go into towns/cities and fight door to door. Once the body bags start coming home(and reality strikes that you can't fight all wars w/technology), let's see how the public thinks then. I've said it before and have said it again. This is a purely politcally motivated "war". Things are so dismal in the USA right now that by focusing on Iraq continuously this administration will hope the media ignores the domestic front. You can see it daily by the vote of confidence(in the current administration) the market puts forth daily.. not! btw, where are all the people that claimed while we were counting chads, a Shrub win would be great for the economy????? How's that for a rant? :) FBI investigates Minneapolis agent's claim that ground zero item was stolen WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The Justice Department's inspector general is investigating a Minneapolis FBI agent's complaint that an FBI evidence recovery team stole a Tiffany crystal globe paperweight from the World Trade Center rubble, government officials said Monday. The agent wrote in a Sept. 25 letter to two senators on the Judiciary Committee that the slightly damaged paperweight turned up last month on the desk of an FBI secretary, who said agents working at the Trade Center found it. The agent wrote that the secretary said the globe, stamped "Tiffany & Co.," had been taken to Minneapolis by a member of an evidence response team assigned to the Trade Center site. The teams are highly trained units sent to major crime scenes to collect and tag items for use as evidence in court. The agent sent the letter to Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., who is chairman of the Judiciary Committee, and Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, who has long defended the rights of whistle-blowers. In the letter, the agent expressed concern about retaliation for reporting what appeared to be a theft. Leahy and Grassley then wrote to FBI Director Robert Mueller, asking for Mueller's assurance that the agent would not suffer reprisals. "This is a serious allegation," the senators wrote. "In addition to constituting a violation of proper evidence handling and of FBI regulations, several persons are being criminally prosecuted for stealing items from Ground Zero by the Department of Justice." A government official provided the letters to the New York Times on the condition that the agent's name not be disclosed. An FBI official said on Monday that any accusation involving wrongdoing by an agent is taken seriously. The official said the agent's accusations had been given to the inspector general for investigation. Grassley and Leahy said experts valued the globe at more than $5,000. A crystal globe 2.5 inches in diameter is listed on Tiffany's Web site for $115, but the legislators said the estimate was based on the globe's value as an artifact from the Trade Center. Grassley is expected to speak on the Senate floor today on behalf of the agent. The agent, a criminal investigator and psychological profiler, expressed surprise at seeing the globe in an FBI office. "I observed an unusual-looking crystal globe sitting on the desk of an FBI secretary," the agent wrote. "I picked up the globe and observed that it was damaged but fully intact. The globe rested on a small stand. I asked the secretary where it came from and she responded, 'Ground zero.' " © Copyright 2002 Star Tribune. All rights reserved.

To: tsigprofit who wrote (9254)	10/11/2002 9:54:39 AM
From: Bucky Katt	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 48461

Matt, the polls here in the UK show about 1/3 in favor, 2/3 against. However, my man in the street poll indicates 10% support for it. In other words, outside of the press, no one much cares. I didn't hear the speech.. Personally I think Bush-lite, for whatever reasons, has invested (wasted) way too much political capital on this Iraq thing. It just makes no sense to me. But the flipside is I (we) don't have the intel that he does, but based on the events of 9-11-01 I use the term intel lightly.... This may be of interest> guardian.co.uk