To: Neocon who wrote (62121 ) 10/10/2002 11:35:31 AM From: Lane3 Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 82486 Sorry to touch on something late in the game Yeah, me too. That Tim too often gets me in trouble...Very few are a matter of government enforcement or anything like organized social pressure...... I did not have anything like that in mind nor did I think that's what you meant. Sorry if I wasn't clear.Most duties are merely a matter of one's own conscience No, I don't think I'm reading this one wrong. In your scheme, one's conscience develops at one's mother's knee as the regulator of the performance of one's duties, which are a function of the standards of society and the expectations of others, with some minor tweeking, and with failure to conform a trigger for blame and contempt. While that does not suggest an elaborate enforcement mechanism, it's not the same as "a matter of one's own conscience," each of us deciding for ourselves, independently, what we consider appropriate or not, and self regulating, based on self interest or based on some other individual theme. As for the essence of your complain, what I was reacting to most in what you yesterday said was your rejection as "shallow" of my notion that competent people have to be treated as though they are the best judge of their own interests. While society may want to assert itself in determining the individual's duties, it cannot assert itself by determining the individual's best interest. People are entitled to their opinions, their world views, their own sense of what's best for them, even when they are clearly wrong. To disrespect that is just dehumanizing, IMO. We have to allow people to decide to be ignoramuses if they insist. Perhaps I misunderstood that. I mentioned earlier that discussion on this thread has contributed to a serendipitous loss of a few pounds. Today's discussion of pot roast and reubens threatens to undo that so I'm avoiding the thread, at least until after lunch. <g>