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To: tekboy who wrote (50853)	10/10/2002 12:53:42 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

the question of just what impact she has had in the administration Thanks, Tek. I was going to ask you for your take, and am glad to get it. Your post confirms what I suspected, this is the least "leaky" Administration in recent History. And Rice is really an enigma. We got all the bits about her childhood precisely because the Author was stymied to give us any inside info. She seems to live with Bush and his wife, almost as a family member. From Bush's standpoint, it could not be better. That is exactly what he wants. A close advisor who keeps her mouth shut. I think she went further right while hanging around with the Hoover crowd that was known. But someone like her that goes so far, so fast, does it by mirroring what her Mentor wants to hear. She figures out where Bush wants to go, and adopts that line, IMO.

To: tekboy who wrote (50853)	10/10/2002 1:04:35 PM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<<...Second, the one thing the article does bring out is her apparently radical shift, once in office, from something resembling a "realist" position to something resembling a "neocon" one. This would seem to be evidence in the opposite direction--against her having much independent influence, and in favor of her just being a mirror of her boss and the powerful people around her (Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.). Many of us in the field expected her to play a different role in the admin, essentially as something of an ally of Powell. It would seem that she has not, in fact, done that (I say "seem" because we just don't know what the internal deliberations are). There has been much speculation, accordingly, as to why...>> Interesting observations Tek...thanks for sharing them. regards, -Scott

To: tekboy who wrote (50853)	10/10/2002 1:06:19 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I wasn't as impressed as you and John with the Rice profile. I mean, it's long and detailed and dependable, sure, but I thought it had two key problems. Boy are you hard to please. Perhaps you need some sleep like Bill and I apparently do. ;-) As for the first point, her impact on foreign policy, I thought Leeman did a perfectly good job, with the question mark in the title, of saying something like "who knows and we aren't ever." On the second point, the radical shift, I really don't know. My problem with that portion is the categories. The terms "realist" seems recognizable enough, but the term "moralist" doesn't strike me as the right one to describe the Cheney-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz et al position. I think I know why he uses it; just don't find the fit works.

To: tekboy who wrote (50853)	10/10/2002 2:19:58 PM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Gen. Zinni Says Containing Iraq Can Work Thu Oct 10, 1:05 PM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The former commander of U.S. forces in the Gulf spoke out on Thursday against attacking Iraq, saying a policy of containment would work and Washington had at least five higher priorities in the Middle East. "I think this wolf (Iraqi President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)) can be left for another shot. There are plenty of wolves on the sled," said retired Marine Corps Gen. Anthony Zinni. "I'm not convinced we need to do this now. I believe he is ... containable at this moment," he told the annual meeting of the Middle East Institute, a Washington think-tank. Zinni has been an outspoken critic of an attack on Iraq, and is familiar with Middle Eastern leaders and has been a mediator between Israelis and Palestinians. Under the Democratic Clinton administration, Zinni was commander-in-chief of the U.S. Central Command, which runs American forces in the Middle East. The Republican Bush administration sent him to the Middle East to try to arrange a truce between Israel and the Palestinians. Zinni said in his experience fighting rarely accomplished what politicians intended. "If we look at this (attacking Iraq) as the beginning of a chain of events that means that we intend to do this through violent action, we're on the wrong course," he said. "First of all, I don't see that that's necessary. Secondly, I think that war and violence are a very last resort and we have to be careful how we apply it, especially now, in our position in the world," he said. He said the U.S. priorities in the Middle East should be putting Middle East peace talks back on track, ensuring that Iran continues to move toward reform, helping Afghanistan (news - web sites) and other central Asian states, patching up relations with Arab states and reopening dialogue with the people of the region. "I would take those priorities before this one (Iraq). My personal view is I think this isn't number one, it's maybe sixth or seventh," he added. story.news.yahoo.com