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To: Ilaine who wrote (51252)	10/11/2002 3:51:18 PM
From: Karen Lawrence	Respond to of 281500

"but Clinton bombing the Sudan aspirin factory was a cynical bid to deflect attention from the Monica scandal (aka "wag the dog"). The President of the US should be held to a higher standard than a bunch of terrorists. " Holding Clinton responsible for that is like holding Bush responsible for putting Taliban captives into unventilated trucks and smothering them, (as has been alleged.)

To: Ilaine who wrote (51252)	10/11/2002 8:16:12 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Are you fairly representing Chomsky's views or are you bending them a little to make them seem more reasonable? It's one thing to criticize Clinton for "a cynical bid to deflect attention..". But what Chomsky claimed was that the night time bombing of the aspirin factory was an atrocity which killed thousands of Sudanese civilians. His books and speeches are filled with such claims. Chomsky may well be a respected academic in the linguistics field. But when it comes to history, politics, and current events he is merely a well-read amateur - with no more claim to fame as a "thinker" than a few of the folks who post on this thread - and whose views, as well, are colored by a very radical leftist idealogy. Personally, if folks like Rush Limbaugh are verboten on this thread so should someone like Chomsky - IMO.

To: Ilaine who wrote (51252)	10/12/2002 5:52:23 AM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

What's wrong with this assertion? Chomsky holds up "Globalization" as an evil foisted on an innocent world by Multinational Corporations. The innuendo, and that is the type of "Truth Twisting" he deals in, is this justifies 911. IMO, he obviously would love to come out and agree with the 911 attack, but he is too clever to get caught doing that directly. 911 was not as bad as Clinton bombing the Sudan. Same kind of "Nudge, Nudge, Wink, Wink," here. The mistake the Clinton Admin made hitting Sudan is the moral equivalent of 911, and justifies 911. He does real well on campuses because he is good at giving them a radical viewpoint that sounds logical until you "check his premises." Let me give you a few quotes from over the years that shows what his viewpoint is. You have to watch closely to see which cup has the pea under it. He is very, very smart at this. The quotes usually contain a "half truth" that makes you say, if you are on his side, "Well that is partially true, he just takes it to far." I got these quotes from a guy who hates him, Horowitz. They exchange barbs back and forth. However, I am sure they are accurate, because Chomsky and Horiwitz go over each others articles with a fine tooth comb, and could really destroy the other one if they lied about quotes. There is just no point to either one being wrong on them. >>>According to Chomsky, in the first battle of the postwar struggle with the Soviet Empire, "the United States was picking up where the Nazis had left off." According to Chomsky, during the Cold War, American operations behind the Iron Curtain included "a "secret army" under US-Nazi auspices that sought to provide agents and military supplies to armies that had been established by Hitler and which were still operating inside the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe through the early 1950s." According to Chomsky, in Latin America during the Cold War, U.S. support for legitimate governments against Communist subversion led to US complicity under John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, in "the methods of Heinrich Himmler's extermination squads." According to Chomsky, there is "a close correlation worldwide between torture and U.S. aid." According to Chomsky, America "invaded" Vietnam to slaughter its people, and even after America left in 1975, under Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan, "the major policy goal of the US has been to maximize repression and suffering in the countries that were devastated by our violence. The degree of the cruelty is quite astonishing." (6) According to Chomsky, "the pretext for Washington's terrorist wars [i.e., in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile, Guatemala, Iraq, etc.] was self-defense, the standard official justification for just about any monstrous act, even the Nazi Holocaust." (7)<<<<<<