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Strategies & Market Trends : P&S and STO Death Blow's -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Jeff who wrote (10718)	10/14/2002 9:59:55 PM
From: John Carson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 30712

Jeff, you mentioned the word they several times in your last post. Who is they? Do they have names? Do they meet in the cafeteria before the market opens and plot their daily strategy on how to screw us? Or are they the natural market forces at work? Or is they somewhere in between? Maybe a few big brokerage houses acting in unspoken collusion to drive prices one way or another based on their inventory of stock and options at the moment. Or maybe spoken collusion? Just wondering. I never worked on Wall Street so I am unfamiliar how things really work. I agree there is a they though, but I am not sure who they are or how they do it.

To: Jeff who wrote (10718)	10/14/2002 10:09:58 PM
From: Jeffrey S. Lillie	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 30712

Jeff, I believe tomorrow is super tuesday where all the big banks have their earnings before the market opens. Not expecting a lot of good news there and the potential exists for some ugly surprises. That said the sector has been wrecked lately so it may be priced in. jeff

To: Jeff who wrote (10718)	10/14/2002 10:17:10 PM
From: orkrious	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 30712

Jeff, can you tell me if there is any significance to the last two sticks on this chart? stockcharts.com[h,a]daclyiay[pc9!c13!c20!d20,2!h.02,.20!c50!f][vc60][iLa4,9,5!Lh5,5!Li10,10!Lp14,3,3!Ll14!Lo14!Lb14!Le5,10,1]&pref=G I'm short the stock till close to zero, but I'm just curious. TIA ork

To: Jeff who wrote (10718)	10/14/2002 10:34:34 PM
From: Win-Lose-Draw	Respond to of 30712

i guess it comes down to just how much juice do they have to play with? i don't see anyone outside of a few (frankly) desperate people on the boards and the usual clowns on CNBS buying into this "rally"... and they've already been burning their own powder for three days. two of them genuinely spectacular days. ramping from either INTC or MSFT i can see, ramping from both i have a little more trouble believing. and of those two it seems an easy call that they'll ramp MSFT, if for no other reason than softie reports later in the week and they get to go into the weekend looking strong. your plan A seems the most likely to me. then again, maybe they ramp on INTC, greenie cuts rates, then ramp through MSFT. if that happened i'd have to call uncle and bail on my puts, lol.

To: Jeff who wrote (10718)	10/15/2002 12:11:44 AM
From: doc	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 30712

jeff, sounds as if you're not so sure of that 1000 target anymore.