To: Richnorth who wrote (90625 ) 10/17/2002 5:45:09 AM From: E. Charters Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116790 We don't see 100 poor nations using the M16. They use the AK47 because the are cheap, rugged and reliable. Like the Russian aircraft, they will work anywhere and they are as good or better than the US models which cost 10 times as much. The AK47 has fueled revolution and overthrow in 40 countries. This is exactly what it was made to do. It gives awesome destructive power to a squad equipped in that manner. The accuracy is such that it is not effective beyond 400 metres. The garand however was a weapon that would reach out to 800 and even 2400 to kill on demand. Despite its weight, its all around effectiveness, which made it a multi-soldier assault weapon, led George Patton to call it the best military weapon ever made. It's firepower made US units able to outgun opposing enemy units in suprise encounters with ease, (when properly trained.) No military rifle made today has its firepower, muzzle speed, energy and penetrating effectiveness out to range. With a plastic stock, aluminum-titanium barrel, muzzle brake/silencer, self ranging scope and recoil absorber, at say 7.5 pounds, it would be an army killer. Heavy rounds could be redesigned to penetrate body armour on a one in two basis. Originally, the AK47 was designed to give high firepower to troops held down by enemy units. In what you read, it sounds like the answer. Like the WWII German assault rifle on which it was based, the Sturmgewehr 34, it appears to the the cat's meow. There is a divergent opinion. A WWII lieutenant noted that all auto weapons ran out of ammo fast in any situation where you might have to fight a while, so frequently left both sides with no bullets and a standoff. Bolt actions maximally preserved ammo so where better for 95% of military situations where cover was obtainable, and that is always the preferred situation. In some cases you might be held down for 24 hours. Squad-wise you only need a couple of high fire rate pieces for specific tasks such as suppression and sniper flush. Where you want really high fire rate, is assault and suppression. (forest encounter is one other situation, which is why the M16 was useful.. but the AK47 would have done an equally good job) It (HFR) is usable in certain stuations. On a task basis it can be fulfilled by Bren/Bar type weapons, or light recoilless designs. You have to realize what the Bar/Bren would do. At one mile you could halt and seriously damage a column of trucks or kill many soldiers in an enemy column. You could outshoot an expert sniper at 800 metres or cut down the tree he was in with the heavy bullets falling at up to 10 per second. The M1 Springfield round has the flattest trajectory past 500 yards of any military cartridge ever made and most sporting cartridges as well. Most military kills are made at under 400 yards. But to assure effectiveness near that range you had better have something that will do an equal job out to 600 to 800. In this the 55 grain bullets are not there. At 1000 yards, opposing a group with AK47's, it is safe to stick your head up. During the trench warfare in Afghanistan that is the range that developed between forces with those weapons. If those guys all had M1 Garands at that distance, I would not do that. EC<:-}