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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epicure who wrote (62806)	10/17/2002 9:47:06 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

At this point, I do not care "to make you sure". At the time, it WAS the pre- Vatican II church, and therefore much closer to being a Medieval type church than the current one. I have been a Catholic, and therefore presumably know a lot more about the Church than you do, in any case. I am sure, having read a great deal on the earlier Church, having had friends in religious orders, and having visited various monasteries, that I know more about what a monastery is like. Finally, what basis do you have to make your "recognition" of it definitive?

To: epicure who wrote (62806)	10/17/2002 11:22:01 AM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Well, let's see. Using Catholic church in its broad sense to include the schismatic offshotts, as far as I know, the Catholic Church is the only church to have a Pope. Certainly when one says "the Pope" one means the Catholic Church and none other. The church in the book had Popes. The Catholic Church is the only major church, and maybe the only church, to canonize saints. The church in the book canonized saints. There are other points in common, but those will do for starters. But of course, it could be not the Catholic Church. After all, we have no way absolutely to prove that the United States of America that we know today is the same United States that is talked about in any book that talks about the United States of America. Or that if a book mentions England it's the same country we think of as England and not referring to what we today would call Madagascar. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it could still be a tiger, but you'll win more bets if you bet it's a duck.