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To: maceng2 who wrote (53030)	10/18/2002 5:54:49 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Pearly_Button; Re: "Democracy, USA style, in action. Democracy is OK unless gangsters or the same ilk in power disagree with it. How putrid." It's not just the US that does this. Look at what happens in friendly Moslem countries when the vote goes too far towards the Islamic Fundamentalists. -- Carl

To: maceng2 who wrote (53030)	10/18/2002 6:07:25 PM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The scotched elections in S. Vietnam in the '50s are well known if not often mentioned these days. It's a hard call which is worse, that or the cavalier extension of the war into Cambodia by Nixon and Kissinger, which of course had nothing whatsoever to do with the subsequent problems there. By conservative logic, anyway. PS: But it's hard to top Perle's definition of "democracy", where the German Chancellor's election doesn't count if Schroeder won't get with the "War Now!" program.

To: maceng2 who wrote (53030)	10/18/2002 6:22:54 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

It was the Cold War. We were trying to keep Communism from spreading. Anybody who was anti-Communist was better than the alternative. One reason the choices for government in South VietNam were so poor was that the North VietNamese assassinated anybody who was outspokenly against them. 36,725 South Vietnamese assassinated and 58,499 abducted are the numbers I see, which are suspiciously precise. But assassinating opposition leaders was what the Communists always did, in every country they took over.

To: maceng2 who wrote (53030)	10/18/2002 6:33:36 PM
From: Karen Lawrence	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Fact was the Vietnam people wanted to rule thier own country. I am disgusted how the American government treated these people. They treated them like dirt the whole time." No democracy, no nothing You can't really blame the young American soldiers, however. Those poor guys didn't stand a prayer. They were drafted, sent to hell, given dope, cigarettes, prostitutes and beer to take the edge off and then told, "whatever you do,don't make friends, because your "friends" will die". Then they had to sleep in ditches in mud. Sickening.

To: maceng2 who wrote (53030)	10/18/2002 6:57:46 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Why did the USA completely fall out of bed with Ho Chi Minh??? Truman did not want the French to take over Indochina again after WWII. I forget the details, but there was a tradeoff with what we wanted from the French in Europe at the time. We then ended up by 1950 with Communist China recognizing Ho, and we opposed him as part of our containment of Communism. Dulles wanted to help out the "Catholic" South against the "Atheist" North after the French left, and that led to the whole mess.

To: maceng2 who wrote (53030)	10/19/2002 4:03:10 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Why did the USA completely fall out of bed with Ho Chi Minh??? Actually, the question should be.. "why did Ho Chi Minh get in bed with the Soviet Union"?? And why is he create a totalitarian society, rather than the "democracy" he claimed he wanted to create based upon the US constitution?? That wasn't our decision.. that was HIS... And the Vietnamese people have suffered as a result of his duplicity, and that of his followers. Hawk