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To: JohnM who wrote (55226)10/28/2002 3:42:22 PM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
The unacceptable portion of it is targeting specific faculty members. That brings out the crazies which populate both sides of the political spectrum. And, also unmentioned in that article, is the fact the Pipes website was put up in the wake of the killings of abortion providers whose names were put on such lists. Makes for chilling stuff.

Did any of Pipe's followers accuse these professors of a crime, encourage violence against them, or actually threaten them in any way?



To: JohnM who wrote (55226)10/28/2002 3:55:08 PM
From: KLP  Respond to of 281500
 
OhOh..speaking of crazies...Gunfire at University of Arizona Nursing School Leaves Four Dead

Oct 28, 2002

By Arthur H. Rotstein
Associated Press Writer

TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) - A gunman opened fire in a class at the University of Arizona nursing school Monday, police said. Four people were killed, including the attacker.
The suspect apparently committed suicide, Police Chief Richard Mirada said. He said he couldn't immediately provide details on how the others died.

The relationship between the gunman and the victims was not known. Police refused to identify the victims, though a university spokeswoman said they included two female professors.

Bomb squad members were called in after a backpack or package was found underneath the suspect's body, police said.

The suspect had earlier threatened to blow up the building in Tucson, though it was unclear when the threat was made, Mirada said. A bomb-sniffing dog reacted to the suspect's car in a nearby parking lot.

Police officers were going room to room at the school north of the university's main campus.

The college and nearby buildings were evacuated.

Au Niger, a 29-year-old graduate student, said she and her husband were standing outside the building waiting for a shuttle bus when a woman came out of the building with a cell phone, trying to dial and screaming that there was a man with a gun in the building. Police were at the scene within seconds.

"A group of people were crying and running desperately to get out of the building. They were crying, tripping over one another, falling down," Niger said.

Niger's husband Vices Sephardi, 27, estimated they saw 50 to 60 people scramble to get out of the building, before police swarmed in and shooed them away.

Police escorted groups of students, faculty and administrators in shuttle buses to the Alumni Building, where counselors were being made available.

Dana Weir, a spokeswoman for the alumni foundation, said students and faculty looked shaken, and people in her office were just trying to make them comfortable.

University President Peter Likens called the shooting an isolated incident. He said there were no immediate plans to change security procedures at the 34,000-student school.

"I don't now believe there's any reason to imply a deficiency of security either in that building or on this campus," he said.

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This story can be found at: ap.tbo.com



To: JohnM who wrote (55226)10/28/2002 5:27:49 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
he failed to deal with the problem of the dossiers.

The Dossiers came down after the second week. The only list he has now is Professors who requested to be listed. 108 who wanted the publicity, I believe.

I suspect that they will be a little more careful to present both sides on campus from now on. You and I came up in the late '50s, and the campus's switched from reflecting the average American opinion to a more radical left position in the '60s as the new Faculty was hired. About the only place you will find a conservative on campus today is in the Science Departments. They don't get hired, hell, they don't even get through school anymore with a Liberal Arts PHD.



To: JohnM who wrote (55226)10/28/2002 6:30:46 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 281500
 
Part two of the "Reason" debate on Iraq.

No more 9/11s
The case for invading Iraq
By Brink Lindsey

John Mueller tries to make light of Iraq. "Feeble," "inept," "pathetic," and "daffy" are some of the adjectives he uses to describe the blood-soaked, predatory regime now in power there. The implication is that only the paranoid could find in Saddam Hussein's buffoonery any cause for serious concern.

Well, I beg to differ. Iraq is no joke: The crimes that the Baathist regime there has committed and may intend to commit in the future are deadly serious business. Under the reign of Saddam Hussein, Iraq has invaded two of its neighbors, lobbed missiles at two other countries in the region, systematically defied U.N. resolutions that demand its disarmament, fired on U.S. and coalition aircraft thousands of times over the past decade, and committed atrocious human rights abuses against its own citizens?including the waging of genocidal chemical warfare against Iraqi Kurds. In short, this is a regime that is responsible for hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of deaths.

Meanwhile, Iraq has a long record of active support for international terrorist groups. Indeed, it has apparently staged terrorist attacks of its own directly against the United States?here I am speaking of Iraq's likely involvement in the attempted assassination of former President Bush in Kuwait in 1993.

Most ominously, Iraq has been engaged for many years in the monomaniacal pursuit of weapons of mass destruction. It reportedly has significant stockpiles of biological weapons, and its aggressive, large-scale nuclear program is thought to be at most a few years away from success. The fact that Iraq has been willing to endure ongoing sanctions?and thus the loss of hundreds of billions of dollars in oil revenue?rather than dismantle its WMD programs shows the ferocity of its commitment to maximizing its destructive capabilities.

In light of the above, I would support military action against Iraq even if 9/11 had never happened and there were no such thing as Al Qaeda. After all, I supported the Gulf War back in 1991 in the hope of toppling Saddam Hussein's regime before it fulfilled its nuclear ambitions. Unfortunately, quagmire was plucked from the jaws of victory in that earlier conflict, and so today we are faced with concluding its unfinished business. In my view, standing by with "patient watchfulness" while predatory, anti-Western terror states become nuclear powers is irresponsible and dangerous folly.

As to the headline question, "What's the rush?," my reply is: North Korea. In 1994 President Clinton, with the help of former President Carter, swept the Korean threat under the rug and trusted that "nature," or something, would deal with that "devil du jour." Now North Korea's psychopathic regime informs us that it has nuclear weapons?a fact that vastly complicates any efforts to prevent the situation from getting even worse. We can look forward to similar complications with Iraq unless we act soon.

The case for action against Iraq is further strengthened by the unfortunate facts that 9/11 did happen and Al Qaeda does exist. Here is the grim reality: Radical Islamism is in arms against the West, and its fanatical followers have pledged their lives to killing as many of the infidel as they possibly can. American office workers in New York and Washington, French seamen in Yemen, Australian tourists in Bali, Russian theatergoers in Moscow?nobody is safe. However exactly this conflict arose, it is now in full flame. And let there be no mistake: This is a fight to the death. Either we crush radical Islamism's global jihad, or thousands?or even millions?more Americans will die.

Iraq occupies a strategic position in the war against Islamist terror along a number of different dimensions. First, Iraq's WMD programs threaten to stock the armory of Al Qaeda & Company. Saddam Hussein's regime has a long and inglorious history of reckless aggression and grievous miscalculation. The decision to use terrorist intermediaries to unleash, say, Iraqi bioweapons against the United States strikes me as an entirely plausible scenario, assuming that Iraq's leadership can convince itself that the attack could be made with "plausible deniability." Given that more than a year has gone by since last fall's anthrax letter scare and we still have absolutely no idea who was responsible, the threat posed by Iraq's WMD programs is far from idle. It is, in fact, intolerable.

Second, the resolution, one way or another, of our longstanding conflict with Iraq will have vitally important repercussions in the larger war against terror. If we proceeded to remove the Baathist regime from power, we would make it extremely clear that the United States means business in dealing with terrorism and its sponsors. All those countries that continue, more than a year after 9/11, to demonstrate their incapacity or unwillingness to root out the terrorists in their midst (e.g., Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, etc.) would have newly strengthened incentives to do the right thing. On the other hand, if all the tough talk against Iraq turned out to have been hot air, U.S. credibility would sustain a major blow. Al Qaeda would be emboldened by perceived American weakness, and countries that have to balance fear of the United States against fear of Islamists at home would all take a big shift toward taking U.S. displeasure less seriously.

Finally, regime change in Iraq offers the opportunity to attack radical Islamism at its roots: the dismal prevalence of political repression and economic stagnation throughout the Muslim world. The establishment of a reasonably liberal and democratic Iraq could serve as a model for positive change throughout the region. Of course, the successful rebuilding of Iraq will not be easy, but we cannot shrink from necessary tasks simply because they are hard. And we cannot simply assume that "nature" will bring freedom to a region that has never known it on a time scale consistent with safeguarding American lives.

Mueller's "What, me worry?" attitude captures perfectly the prevailing opinion about Afghanistan circa September 10, 2001. The Taliban were more a punch line than a serious foreign-policy issue; only the most fevered imagination could see any threat to us in that miserable, dilapidated country. The next day, three thousand Americans were dead.

We can't let that happen again.