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To: Ilaine who wrote (55582)10/29/2002 9:39:47 PM
From: JohnM  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
The material that Pipes labeled "dossiers" is still there, but the name has changed. It's now called "survey of institutions." Whether the professors are really risking being killed or maimed for their views remains to be seen.

Well, then Bill is wrong and Pipes is even more objectionable. Let's drop this. You, somehow, seem intent on using personal insults as a way to have this conversation.



To: Ilaine who wrote (55582)10/29/2002 9:53:03 PM
From: JohnM  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
To change the topic back, ever so briefly to Republicans playing the race card, I'll take another cut at it, then try to resist taking one more. You can reply as you wish.

The first time I was aware that these conversations were taking place at a national level of the party were some of the stuff that came out about the strategies of the Nixon folk in the 68 and 72 elections. The strategy was to picture the Republican party as the savior of the embattled whites in the south and thus take the south from the Dems. Of course, Johnson, Caro says, anticipated this outcome when talking about his own civil rights work. He felt it was important work to do even though it would likely give the south to the Republicans.

Ed Rollins talked about using it in the 84 Reagan re-election campaign. Rollins was the Reagan's campaign manager. Someone said they thought I had in mind Rollins' problems with one of Christie Whitman's New Jersey gubernatorial campaigns, perhaps her second. I don't think that qualifies.

Bush I's campaign manager, again his name still escapes me, used it in the 88 campaign. I don't recall it's use in the 92 campaign but it's likely.

Bush II used it against McCain in South Carolina in the 00 race. You might reply that it's Republican against Republican. Correct. But the party clearly accepted that strategy.

Jesse Helms used the strategy repeatedly in North Carolina and so far as I know was never chastised by the Republican party for doing so.

I should add that I don't think the Dems are pure on using questionable tactics. I don't think it's possible to make a case they have or had a national policy of using the race card. But you could make a case they have used some less than pure campaign tactics.

It's just that the comment about Republicans playing the race card is a fairly common one.

Okay, your turn. Then let's all go back to FA.



To: Ilaine who wrote (55582)10/30/2002 2:17:02 AM
From: Maurice Winn  Respond to of 281500
 
CB, a lot of people use nomdepixels <If you don't think your ideas are worth taking a public stand for, even in the face of public criticism, maybe you need to get some new ideas.

Sadly, I think you probably disagree. But my guess is that the professors Pipes is covering have more courage about their convictions.
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It hardly seems reasonable to criticize JohnM when you keep your name hidden.

Mqurice [my real name]