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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (1764)	11/1/2002 12:11:38 PM
From: kumar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6901

Britain lost India because they wouldn't (illegally) kill one man. ganashakti.com

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (1764)	11/1/2002 10:08:26 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6901

Lazarus, re < I take NZ got independence without having to shoot any redcoats? :-) > NZ got independence whether we liked it or not, much as a young adult is kicked out of home when they are big enough and ugly enough. The parents get sick of the constant stream of people crowding in, raiding the fridge, making a mess on the carpet. My father even risked my life to fight Britain's and America's war against Germany, so keen was he to retain links to the Empire - which I considered rather thoughtless and presumptuous. It worked out okay in the end though and here I am. However, we are still subjects of the Queen and the Privy Council remains our top court. The Maoris, ironically if one believes those who think the poor Maoris were enslaved blah blah blah by the wicked British, are strong proponents of retaining the Privy Council and are keen on the Queen. They know that the racist deal they conned out of the stupid British at the time [the Treaty of Waitangi] is at risk if it falls simply to a local vote. The rest of us aren't all that keen on being second class citizens like slaves in Alabama or pigmented people in South Africa. The Maoris cunningly used the British sense of fairness and superiority against them. But we know how to handle them! We simply take them over by marriage [or simple welfare mating] so that by 2100, we'll all be Maori. Hah! ['We' being not really me, as I doubt I'll make it to 2100] The British knew that an empire was only worth having if it was on a voluntary basis. It's a bit like modern business - it's no use having a bunch of recalcitrant wage slaves. The employees' hearts and minds are needed to succeed in symbiotic peace, light, harmony, prosperity and happiness. Similarly with a modern empire. Threatening to throw aliens into Guantanamo Bay Concentration Camp won't win hearts and minds. The moron's credo that getting them by the short and curlies will make their hearts and minds follow is a cliche without substance. The best it can do is get sullen compliance while the fat ape is watching and threatening. That's the old USSR method. Bribery is the tried and true method of building a successful empire. The Japanese method of rape, pillage and plunder ended with a couple of nukes! Softly, softly catchy monkey. The British Commonwealth still exists and the psychic links are robust among free people. The dream lives. [Though "free" is very limited while democracy crushes the life out of people with common mediocrity and compliance with the lowest common denominator]. Mqurice